The Apron Again

[curious4]

Hello Curious4,

Point to ponder perhaps? I would have thought that most 'trophy hunting killers' KEEP their trophies, not throw it away after 35mins or an hour, i am no expert but maybe you or someone else may be on this point?

Best wishes

Phil

Hello Phil,

Yes, you do have a point there, unless he took a trophy from Kate´s belongings we don´t know about (she was carrying all her worldly goods, it seems) and used the apron to keep it fairly free of blood etc.

Best wishes,
C4

[curious4]

Hello C4.

"why use rag, when there were plenty of copies of old newspapers'

Texture, I think.

"As for the apron, also taken as a trophy, perhaps, went home (nearby) with everything and suddenly thought of a way to taunt the police,"

Why would Kate's assailant wish to taunt the police?

" . . . away to Goulstone street, graffito and rag to attract attention to it -"

Distinct possibility.

"it was connected to the murder"

Possibly, but not necessarily.

" . . . so no need to point out what he was accusing the jews of -"

That depends on the preceding point.

"if you interpret the message that way. It could also be said to point away from the jews when written by someone with bad grammar, of course."

Or a poor understanding of English.

"The police took it all very seriously at the time and I find it hard to believe that they were any worse than today´s police."

They did indeed. So should we--until it can be shown there is nothing in it.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn.

Yes I can see that a lack of soft toilet paper would be a serious barrier to time travel. Swedes used to use a stick way back - if you were really posh you had your OWN stick!

Gives a new slant on the word tenderfoot, doesn´t it?

Well, if not connected to the murder, at least to the victim.

As I see it, he was on a high - he had killed twice and got away with it and probably felt invincible. No-one could ever catch him, especially not the police.

Cheers,
C4

[Observer]

Hi Steven

Regarding your post 567, all I can say is you beat me to it (heh-heh)

Quality, not quantity apparently.

All the best

[lynn cates]

reading, and other pursuits

Hello Carol. Right. Magazines weren't always just for reading.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Kantian message

Hello Steven. Not sure if I were to reply. But here goes.

If you invite me to your house to carve the fowl, you cannot determine, a priori, what I will act like. Will he carve with this knife? Perhaps the other? Will he be frenzied? Calm? Oh, he would never exemplify THAT behaviour!

But, a great deal could be learned a posteriori. Look at how that idiot Lynn carved my bird! Nothing but crumbs. I'll be hanged if I invite HIM again. He has NO expertise.

Cheers.
LC

[Carol]

Hello everyone,

I've just read through my post number 429 and find I left something out.

When Eddowes 'maybe' had cut off the apron piece she could have used some of it to cut out other items, such as smaller rags for her period? Perhaps she borrowed a pair of scissors? Then the apron 'piece' would not have been so awkwardly large to use as a maxi sanitary rag.

Some witnesses say 'half' of the apron, while others say 'portion' or 'piece'.

Carol

[Simon Wood]

Hi Carol,

Izal. What precious memories you conjure.

If I remember correctly, printed across the bottom of each sheet was "Now Wash Your Hands".

Regards,

Simon

[Carol]

[QUOTE=lynn cates;200604]Hello C4.

"why use rag, when there were plenty of copies of old newspapers'

Texture, I think.


Hello Lynn,

I can remember in my childhood when it was still fairly usual to cut up old newspapers into similar squares, make a hole in one corner with a meat skewer, thread a piece of string through, then hang the little 'package' up on a nail in the toilet within reach of the user. I can only remember this in outside toilets, and mainly with the older generation. This would have been in the 1950's.

It was normal even with the middle classes in Victorian times.

By the time I was born in 1946 most people were using toilet rolls called Izal. These were definitely better than newspaper but had a 'toilety' smell and were far from soft! I would know that smell anywhere!

Carol

[Steven Russell]

I see a good deal of expertise with killing and ripping Polly and Annie; but a mere random encounter.

And I see the exact converse with Kate--no expertise with the knife; lots and lots of pre-planning.

Cheers.

Trying to explain the behaviour of another according to our own presupposed canons of human behaviour is a tricky undertaking. Would it were discontinued.
Cheers.
LC

LC

Hmm...

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Monty]

Ah, you got my point then. Good.

Serial mutilation is just one illogical act. But it's one hell of an act to follow, and few men would be illogical enough to try it.

Love,

Caz
X

Ah, I had gotten the point many moons ago.

I find its selective.

Monty

[lynn cates]

Gsg

Hello Phil. But given the thread (and needing a rhyme):

"And an apron 'neath the old GSG."

Cheers.
LC

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil. Thanks.

So does this mean I must solve the case at once? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,


Keeping it in the Yuletide spirit...

On the 5th day of solving, the case it gives to thee..
5 Copper's grins..
4 missing papers
3 Street exits
2 apron pieces
and a timeline that doesnt add up.

Best wishes

Phil

[lynn cates]

solution

Hello Phil. Thanks.

So does this mean I must solve the case at once? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil. Thanks. Oh, dear--that?

Well, perhaps one should strive for quality, not quantity?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Mr.Commissioner,

All quality from where I stand, roll on 5000

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hi Lynn,

May I join?

Do members get a badge?

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

You get a free apron piece, No strings.

Best wishes

Phil