The Apron Again

[lynn cates]

"I am invincible" ("you're a loony&quot

Hello Trevor.

"surely you would have expected some mention of a murder in the graffiti if the killer had written it."

Ah, but recall the "Phoenix Park" murders? There were several flyers sent out with the inscription:

"This deed was done by the Irish Invincibles"

The reason I bring this up is that:

1. No mention of murder was made

2. It was also DISREGARDED--wrongly, it turns out.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

I've no evidence but a theory that sits well with me is that it was placed there by the police to suggest this was The Met's problem.

I've witnessed some half baked theories here in this forum but this really does take the biscuit ! I take it that when you refer to the police placing the apron piece you allude to the City police ? If so, why on earth would the City Police do such a thing? The problem lay very much with them, in the form of the late Catherine Eddowes who lay firmly within their jurisdiction.

[lynn cates]

LA

Hello Mac.

"Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron"."

But note that the "Dear Boss" bent over backwards to dispel that notion.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

preferences

Hello Trevor.

"But if you are going to frame the Jews you have to write down what you are framing them for."

Yes, that would clearly be preferable. But . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

respondeo quod

Hello Mac.

"Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense."

Quite possibly a load of old nonsense, but not clear to this old bird.

"1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street."

I take it he ruminated a good deal.

"2) Therefore it was pre-planned."

Antecedent? You mean the implication? The murders?

"3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it."

Again, not sure of the antecedent of the pronoun.

"4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that."

Here we nearly agree. I could think of hundreds of better anti-Semitic slogans.

What if the writer were not a native speaker of English?

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

I'm with Maria on this one, Lynn.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

escalators, etc

Hello Maria.

"What Lynn sees as a contrasting MO I (and most other “canonical“ Ripperologists) see as escalation."

Yes, that is the standard view. (Like your word.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

dipthongs and such

Hello Simon. Good for them. (Should have had me research it. heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

inquest

Hello Steven

"How's that, Lynn? Seems to me that there is a great resemblance between all three, and particularly Chapman and Eddowes. How can you confidently make the above statement?"

Because Kate's killer made a rum job of it. In the days after the "Double Even" it was Kate's murder called in question, not Liz's.

Do you recall Baxter's remarks at the Stride inquest and his comparison of Kate with Polly and Annie?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Assuming the killer wrote it, he was a nut who`d just been rummaging about inside Eddowes abdomen so God knows what was going on in his head.
Perhaps he thought the words Juwes and blame along with a bloodstained portion of Eddowes apron as proof of authorship would be enough to cause a repeat of the trouble that took place following the Chapman murder.

[Trevor Marriott]

I think we're saying something similar, Trevor.

But for sake of discussion let's say that the writing was pre-faced with the words: "This message relates to the Eddowes murder".

What exactly does he go onto say?

"I am not Jewish, although I'm pretending to be Jewish, and I ask you to believe I'm Jewish and I say we won't be blamed even though we did it".

Jesus Christ.

Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron".

Thats hypothetical you can only work with what was written.

Look at all the ripper letters which were sent in by "the killer" in all of those the murders were mentioned. Now lets just suppose one was from the real killer, if he had taken the trouble to write that in a letter which clearly refers to a murder surely you would have expected some mention of a murder in the graffiti if the killer had written it.

[Fleetwood Mac]

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

I think we're saying something similar, Trevor.

But for sake of discussion let's say that the writing was pre-faced with the words: "This message relates to the Eddowes murder".

What exactly does he go onto say?

"I am not Jewish, although I'm pretending to be Jewish, and I ask you to believe I'm Jewish and I say we won't be blamed even though we did it".

Jesus Christ.

Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron".

[Monty]

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

You and me both Trevor.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense.

1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street.
2) Therefore it was pre-planned.
3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it.
4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that.

But if you are going to frame the jews you have to write down what you are framing them for. I keep saying this and perhaps someone will soon listen. The graffiti as written does not refer to any murder.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hello (again) Mac.

"And, the framing of 'the Jews'? Distinctly improbable."

Why? Sir Charles thought that.

Cheers.
LC

Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense.

1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street.
2) Therefore it was pre-planned.
3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it.
4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that.