Plausibility of Kosminski

[Chris]

You're a real smoothie, Chris.

Thanks, Tom. I think some of your charm and diplomacy must have rubbed off on me during our exchanges here.

[Nemo]

Thanks for the description of the family traits Joan

[Garry Wroe]

I'M OUT OF HERE

Speaking for myself, I don't like to see any poster leave this site, especially when they may have interesting or relevant information to share. And since there is no definitive proof that the Kosminskis cited by Macnaghten and Swanson are the same man, I would like to see all avenues of research remain open.

[auntyjoan]

Thank you Gary. Thats what i came on here to do, share my 20 years+ Kosminsky and extended family research, not to be shot down in flames on my first post. It took alot of thought for me to do this. Not a very encouraging "welcome".

[Garry Wroe]

You're welcome, Joan. And for what it's worth, I doubt that Chris would have intentionally caused offence. Glad to see you back, anyway.

[Phil H]

auntyjoan

Can I too welcome you to Casebook and thank you for sharing your hard-won research results with us.

I think the more material and discussion we can have on the jtR case is to be welcomed.

If the work of two researchers seems initially incompatible, then reviewing both sets of results, seeing whether either has missed anything or interpreted things differently can only be of benefir to both, surely.

I too have noted that although (thanks to Martin Fido's pioneering work) we have identified Kosminski as Araon Kosminski. Nevertheless, Swanson does not use a first name - so to me it remains open that the name might refer to another Kosminski, be a mis-spelling or misunderstanding of a foreign name, or have been used as a "code"/generic terms for a, or one of several Polish jews who actually had a different name(s).

Please don't be put off by the unfortunate tone of some posts on here. Members are often deeply attached to their own theory or views, their own research etc and their commitment.enthusiasm can emerge in odd ways. In my experience, it is worth sticking out the "slings and arrows" for the solid gold nuggets that sometimes, indeed often, fall out of discussions. I think your years of work and insights you have gained will be of interest to many and perhaps of enormous value.

Again welcome and long may you remain,

Phil

[Chris]

Thank you Gary. Thats what i came on here to do, share my 20 years+ Kosminsky and extended family research, not to be shot down in flames on my first post. It took alot of thought for me to do this. Not a very encouraging "welcome".

No one is trying to shoot anyone down in flames, but if you post information that people know is inaccurate, then they are obviously going to correct it, and it is difficult to do that in a 'welcoming' way. (I did consider contacting you privately, but you seem to have disabled that option.)

It would indeed be interesting to discuss the question further, which is what I was trying to do above. If you have an approximate date of birth for Samuel, then you'll be able to say whether he could be the Samuel, son of Woolf, who was born in 1899. If not, then I or somebody else here may be able to help with other sources of information that might shed some light on his identity.

[auntyjoan]

No, I have not disenabled you Chris. Wouldn't know how to, haven't been on this site long enough to want or expect to have to do that!

In my first posting I was merely quoting from a letter I had received from someone who was giving me information about a Woolf, Samuel and Aaron Kosminsky (a barber) from the same family. I have quite alot to say about the various Kosminsky and extended families. Of course I realise that they are not all related! I thought quoting from this letter as a newbie would make members realise I wasn't just someone who was interested in JR but someone who had spent alot of time over many years making contact with various Kosminskis and other related members.

It is quite clear from her letter that her brother-in-law's father, Woolf Kosminsky, had come to England in the 1870s or 1880s and that he had a brother called Aaron who was a hairdresser. I thought it was worth sharing the letter with this site. We can do all the research we like, talk about our own theories etc etc but there's nothing like getting information from the horses mouth.

[Chris]

It is quite clear from her letter that her brother-in-law's father, Woolf Kosminsky, had come to England in the 1870s or 1880s and that he had a brother called Aaron who was a hairdresser. I thought it was worth sharing the letter with this site. We can do all the research we like, talk about our own theories etc etc but there's nothing like getting information from the horses mouth.

Yes, it's interesting, but it's still completely at odds with what we know about Aaron's family.

I'd still be interested to know whether this Samuel was the right age to be the son of the other Woolf Kosminsky - the one who died in 1930.

[PaulB]

No, I have not disenabled you Chris. Wouldn't know how to, haven't been on this site long enough to want or expect to have to do that!

In my first posting I was merely quoting from a letter I had received from someone who was giving me information about a Woolf, Samuel and Aaron Kosminsky (a barber) from the same family. I have quite alot to say about the various Kosminsky and extended families. Of course I realise that they are not all related! I thought quoting from this letter as a newbie would make members realise I wasn't just someone who was interested in JR but someone who had spent alot of time over many years making contact with various Kosminskis and other related members.

It is quite clear from her letter that her brother-in-law's father, Woolf Kosminsky, had come to England in the 1870s or 1880s and that he had a brother called Aaron who was a hairdresser. I thought it was worth sharing the letter with this site. We can do all the research we like, talk about our own theories etc etc but there's nothing like getting information from the horses mouth.

Have you ever corresponded with me?
Paul

[auntyjoan]

yes I have!

[Zodiac]

Which is why you find a bunch of people who either appear not to die, or die a long time after they died. People are buried under the name the family gives, not under the name immigration has them under. Sometimes they figure it out through various means. Like my 235 year old Great uncle Michel who had his death certified last year after a third cousin realized he was on a no fly list because his father technically didn't exist. And everyone was surprised that even mattered. Which is to say any naturalization process renders a geneology an unholy mess, especially if you are a member of my family.

For what it's worth.

Hi Errata,

You realise that you may just have solved one of the greatest of the Old Testament mysteries!!! For years researchers has looked for the answer in genetics, telomeres, chromosomal abnormalities etc. etc. Now, at last, thanks to you, we finally know the true reason for the apparent longevity of the Old Testament Patriarchs!!!

Best wishes,
Zodiac.

[PaulB]

yes I have!

I wondered what you'd been up to.

[auntyjoan]

long story! Are you still on the same contact details? Mine are changed

[PaulB]

No, I've moved about the country a bit. Funny, though, because I was talking about yo only the other day to a young film student who thought she mght be a descendant of Aaron and one of her relatives mentioned you. I'll PM you later.
Paul