When did investigators start watching Kozminski?

[Simon Wood]

Kosminski didn't live in the house-to-house search area as delineated in Swanson's 19th October report.

[Scott Nelson]

So Anderson would like all to know that, as a conclusion to the house-to-house search conducted while he was away on holiday between 7 Sept & 6 Oct....."And the conclusion we came to was that he and his people were low-class Jews,..."

Really?

Yet, Anderson is on record in a H.O. file A49301/60, dated 23 Oct. over two weeks after he came back from holiday....

"That a crime of this kind should have been committed without any clue being supplied by the criminal, is unusual, but that five successive murders should have been committed without our having the slightest clue of any kind is extraordinary, if not unique, in the annals of crime".

So, which is it?

The conclusion (Ripper being a low-class Jew) arrived at from the house to house search was confirmed much later (after the 23 October 1888 report) when suspicions about Kosminski emerged and it was thought that his family had shielded him.

[Batman]

Rob Clack posted this on another thread regarding the house to house search - Chief Inspector Donald Swansons Home Office report dated 19th October. 80,000 pamphlets and house to house enquiries were made. The area covered was The City boundary, Lamb Street, Commercial Street, Great Eastern Railway and Buxton Street, then by Albert Street, Dunk Street, Chicksand Street and Great Garden Street to Whitechapel Road and then to the City boundary. Common Lodging houses were visited and over 2,000 lodgers were examined.

Yeah, this makes sense. That between the murder of Eddowes and Kelly they went into knock and search mode, at least asking people if they knew anything and if people could give an account of themselves. I am guessing they had a list of lodgers that couldn't be cleared by whatever methodology they had and Kozminski was on the list, but they couldn't do anything.

What was Anderson on about when he mentioned "French laws" by the way? Like they could have stopped JtR there and then if they had those laws?

If Kozminski was JtR then they were not watching him when Kelly was murdered.

They probably went through their suspect list from the search and Kozminski was the one who was in doubt for that night also.

He didn't murder anyone else while being watched and eventually deteriorated to the point he had to be put in an asylum.

JtR had craftiness to go out and murder again if he had come face to face with officers shortly after the murder of Eddowes.

Does any of that fit Kozminski to JtR?

[Robert]

Well, Abberline and Anderson had Martha down as a victim. She may indeed have been, for all I know.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Rob Clack posted this on another thread regarding the house to house search - Chief Inspector Donald Swansons Home Office report dated 19th October. 80,000 pamphlets and house to house enquiries were made. The area covered was The City boundary, Lamb Street, Commercial Street, Great Eastern Railway and Buxton Street, then by Albert Street, Dunk Street, Chicksand Street and Great Garden Street to Whitechapel Road and then to the City boundary. Common Lodging houses were visited and over 2,000 lodgers were examined.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Yes Darryl but if you want to include Martha in the list, then being killed on the night of a bank holiday wouldn't affect anything - I take it that the holiday aspect would be meant to allow for Jack being able to prowl around at night without the worry of having to be up for work next day. In Martha's case, he would have to go to work on the Tuesday (if he had a job, of course).

I am not making any assumptions Robert. Just giving people more of a complete list, especially to those who believe Martha was killed by Jack

[Robert]

Yes Darryl but if you want to include Martha in the list, then being killed on the night of a bank holiday wouldn't affect anything - I take it that the holiday aspect would be meant to allow for Jack being able to prowl around at night without the worry of having to be up for work next day. In Martha's case, he would have to go to work on the Tuesday (if he had a job, of course).

[Darryl Kenyon]

Martha was killed on a Bank Holiday Monday Night/Tuesday Morning.

[Batman]

The only ones to have been killed on what seems to have been non-working days were Eddowes and Stride. Who were also the only ones killed in territory not encompassed by Hanbury Street and Old Montague Street.

That has had ripperologists scratching their heads for many a decade.

That's interesting. I read several profiles about JtR that suggested he was working a 5 day week (which in itself is strange because people probably worked a 7 day week in Whitechapel). Looks like that wasn't right at all then.

[Fisherman]

So it's a total myth that JtR only killed on weekends and holidays?

The only ones to have been killed on what seems to have been non-working days were Eddowes and Stride. Who were also the only ones killed in territory not encompassed by Hanbury Street and Old Montague Street.

That has had ripperologists scratching their heads for many a decade.

[Batman]

No, Lord Mayor's Day wasn't a holiday.

Nor was August 31st. However, nowadays it occasionally happens that August 31st falls on a Monday and, when it does, it's a bank holiday.

So it's a total myth that JtR only killed on weekends and holidays?

[Robert]

No, Lord Mayor's Day wasn't a holiday.

Nor was August 31st. However, nowadays it occasionally happens that August 31st falls on a Monday and, when it does, it's a bank holiday.

[Batman]

So Anderson would like all to know that, as a conclusion to the house-to-house search conducted while he was away on holiday between 7 Sept & 6 Oct....."And the conclusion we came to was that he and his people were low-class Jews,..."

Really?

Yet, Anderson is on record in a H.O. file A49301/60, dated 23 Oct. over two weeks after he came back from holiday....

"That a crime of this kind should have been committed without any clue being supplied by the criminal, is unusual, but that five successive murders should have been committed without our having the slightest clue of any kind is extraordinary, if not unique, in the annals of crime".

So, which is it?

It is not contradictory. He is simply saying it is unusual in general. If you read on more he starts discussing clues.

The actual quote maybe you are looking for is Eastern Post 17 Nov, which said the door to door searches ended in failure. Which seems to contradict Anderson.

Anyway, maybe you are right and it didn't turn up Kozminski. I would like to know when they started watching him. Obviously, if he killed MJK they must not have been watching him.

[Batman]

Batman, two of the victims were murdered on Fridays.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1888&country=9

Mary Jane Kelly was murdered the morning of the Lord's Mayor's Day, so wasn't that a holiday?

Also wasn't Nichols murdered on a summer bank holiday? Aug 31st?

[Robert]

Batman, two of the victims were murdered on Fridays.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1888&country=9