Why did he lied?

[Malcolm X]

HUTCHINSON also did not have to identify the body...... not that i know of anyway.

but the strangest of all is, as said; he didn't describe what MJK looked like/was wearing, but he managed to get around this by saying, ``i knew her``, therefore there's no need to describe her...... yea' right!

So this weakens GH being there and telling the truth..... he's weak with regards to this already.

this leaves him as either JTR, or after a money reward only, i'm trying to find out how old this GH was, yes we know Toppy was about 22, but i see no mention of this GHs age !

i think we're tending to accept without questioning well enough, that this guy is Toppy, just because of a dodgy signature and he's not even signed all 3 pages either, so this is definitely suspicious.

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[Malcolm X]

think about it this way.

we have a man waiting outside millers court at about 2.30am, he's stocky, military looking/JOE AVERAGE and he's staring up the court.... standing still, bolt upright, as if on guard duty, thus military looking..... i couldn't care less what he's wearing, i'm not interested at all

he is therefore waiting for someone, or thinking of going up the court, he's seen but doesn't turn away, he therefore couldn't care less

Kelly looks like she died at 4am, whatever the truth, this makes this guy seen outside look very suspicious..... especially as a stalker and especially when you consider the bad weather/ cold/rain etc!

Kelly goes out again at about2.30 to 3am, maybe, if this guy is still there, he will either ignore her or talk to her, but if MJK sees him, she will almost definitely talk to him, because she needs the money..... FOR SURE.

only S.Lewis knows what this bloke looks like.

realising how dodgy this character seems, we have GH coming forward saying that this is him, because not only could he have broken in at 4am, he could also have been invited in by MJK at 2.30 am to 3am.

but also GH does not know for sure how well S.Lewis saw this guy, unless of course, he was waiting outside the inquest.

to pretend to be this guy is very brave and foolhardy and it's also very easy to be dismissed as a bullshitter (if she sais it's not him).... GH is also brazen/ confident and assuming too much that LA DE DA is a killer, he's fitting him up and planting this image into the minds of the police/ media, this is highly suspicious.

he is very inacurate with regards to realism, he sees far too much detail, and the red stone/ gold chain/ horseshoe pin is just rubbish, but the biggest load of crap is the parcel/ American cloth/ strap seen in his hand, this is of course JTRs knives, what a load of total rubbish...... i dont even need to explain why !

he never sais, ``i think he was wearing this, but i cant tell for sure because it was so dark``, he's describing this guy from his mind's eye, he never saw him and MJK...... his description should only have been about 1/3 of what it was.

it thus looks like he was there and fitting up LA DE DA to be JTR, this is his grand finale' and the next stage on from the graffiti/ Dutfields, it's 100% anti-semetic, but in a strange twist, he's also telling us lot that he's JTR.

WHY ? i dont know yet, but we are missing something very major here...who is GH ? not Toppy....... or we dont know enough about Toppy yet, but definitely not a stay at home family guy, because this is far too boring a life for someone like this.

anything major going against this...... yes, he doesn't describe MJK at all, compared to LA DE DA, this makes it appear that he didn't see or know her, this can be explained away, but it's worth mentioning, because saying ``i knew her`` could be a lie.

and without a description of her, but him still seeing these two, could also mean that he saw another woman by mistake !!!!!! good grief, yes!

Abberline thus made one massive **** up, he did not ask GH to describe MJK in detail at the police station,...... oh dear, how careless, because this is the one piece of info that would either prove or discredit him!

[harry]

Richard,
I never said he was doing it for a mate.

[Malcolm X]

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Mrs Kennedy makes reference to seeing Kelly at 3:00am, or at least she appears to be the source for the news story.

"...Mrs. Kennedy is confident that the man whom she noticed speaking to the woman Kelly at three o'clock on Friday morning is identical with the person who accosted her on the previous Wednesday. "

Regards, Jon S.

YES, so if you believe that GH was never there, now you know why he left at 3am... so his statement doesn't clash with this later sighting, but my guess is this sighting is a load of rubbish.

he's either fitted himself in as a total fake, or he was there as JTR

BUT, being there and telling the truth is least likely


1.... the contents of MJK stomach would take about 6 hours to digest, so if she died at 4am, then she probably ate at roughly 10pm, but if she ate at 2 to 3.30 am, then she would've been killed at about 9am !

[Malcolm X]

Hi Harry,
If one is conspiracy minded, one could suggest that he was doing a favour for a mate, possibly a inmate of the Victoria home, who considered himself in a bit of a bother, being a innocent party.. namely the infamous Blotchy.
But do we honestly believe that?
I don't.
That would be taking friendship to its limits.
I honestly believe Blotchy is no more then a unfortunate pawn, and one can imagine lived through many trauma's in the coming months/years.
I have only one suspect ..Maxwell's market porter. it would answer so many riddles, and make the Millers court murder less of a puzzle.
Regards Richard.

there is no need for GH to provide an alibi etc for JTR, because nobody will ever know who BLOTCHY FACE is in the future, or even GH himself; if he never went to the police.

[Malcolm X]

Hi Malcolm X,

"Gangs of navvies descended on Whitechapel and Spitalfields and work commenced on digging up the entire length of Commercial Street and laying track. The work continued day and night until completion in November 1888."

Regards,

Simon

yes but they were probably busy working all the time and not strolling around the streets chatting up whores, but after work is different, plus they'd be working to a shift pattern, so many of these would indeed be free at night.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Harry,
If one is conspiracy minded, one could suggest that he was doing a favour for a mate, possibly a inmate of the Victoria home, who considered himself in a bit of a bother, being a innocent party.. namely the infamous Blotchy.
But do we honestly believe that?
I don't.
That would be taking friendship to its limits.
I honestly believe Blotchy is no more then a unfortunate pawn, and one can imagine lived through many trauma's in the coming months/years.
I have only one suspect ..Maxwell's market porter. it would answer so many riddles, and make the Millers court murder less of a puzzle.
Regards Richard.

[harry]

Hutchinson came forward and gives a statement that is an alibi for the twelve oclock companion of Kelly.Why?

[Wickerman]

Blotchy is only too early when you assume he was in there for a 10 minute spell.

But:

1) He is equipped with a quart of ale, suggesting the two of them are about to have a drink before the entertainment begins.

He carried a pot, perhaps a pewter mug. It was customary for some customers to bring their own beer mug to the pub. Drinkers were still doing this when I use to go to the pubs (1970's).
If Kelly propositioned Blotchy in the Ringers, he may have finished his beer and brought his mug out with him. The beer mug may have been empty.
(Suitable container for a heart?)

.... the thing i doubt the most is her going out again at 3am, especially if it's cold and wet and she's got a hangover.

Mrs Kennedy makes reference to seeing Kelly at 3:00am, or at least she appears to be the source for the news story.

"...Mrs. Kennedy is confident that the man whom she noticed speaking to the woman Kelly at three o'clock on Friday morning is identical with the person who accosted her on the previous Wednesday. "

Regards, Jon S.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stephen,

Quite possibly. It all depends on whether or not you believe the GH story.

Regards,

Simon

[Stephen Thomas]

"Gangs of navvies descended on Whitechapel and Spitalfields and work commenced on digging up the entire length of Commercial Street and laying track. The work continued day and night until completion in November 1888."

Ah, so pickaxe weilding Irish navvies would have been shouting 'Ello darlin' to Kelly as she staggered down Commercial Street at 2am to get her fish supper.

[Morgana LeFay]

Could the doctors have known if Mary Kelly had sex before being murdered? If not....well, Blotchy is a very weird character then. What kind of client doesn't get what he has paid for?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Malcolm X,

"Gangs of navvies descended on Whitechapel and Spitalfields and work commenced on digging up the entire length of Commercial Street and laying track. The work continued day and night until completion in November 1888."

Regards,

Simon

[Malcolm X]

Blotchy is only too early when you assume he was in there for a 10 minute spell.

But:

1) He is equipped with a quart of ale, suggesting the two of them are about to have a drink before the entertainment begins.

2) If he is only there for a 10 minute prostitute/punter exchange, then why does he have a quart of ale?

3) Why exactly would Mary take someone back to her hovel? Presumably money is the driving force as she is soliciting. If money is the driving force, then why not just go round the corner; what is in her home that gives her greater bargaining power to increase her cash receipt? A bed for the night.

yes i know what you're saying, but this seems too early for a 4am scream of ``oh murder``, but it could be true i suppose, the thing i doubt the most is her going out again at 3am, especially if it's cold and wet and she's got a hangover.

it's most likely that she stopped singing at 1am, with him still there, both pretty drunk, what happened next could be anything, but she was murdered whilst in bed awake and watching her killer, or suddenly woken up.... either by blotchy face getting ready to leave, or someone breaking in, LA DE DA does not figure in any of this

so yes BLOTCHY FACE could easily have killed her, but definitely not Pipeman.

[Malcolm X]

Hi Malcolm X,

Are you certain the streets were dead?

Between 29th March and 15th November 1888 the Commercial Street tramway was under construction.

Regards,

Simon

I doubt that workers were around at 2 to 3am