Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Garry Wroe]

Sorry if somebody has already mentioned this, but I think the Psychic documentary (referring to Kosminski) that is being debated was 'Killer Contact' which came out a year or two ago.

That might be the one. If so, and if Jeff Leahy had nothing to do with it, then I again offer an unreserved apology.

I'm not really interested in anything else you have to say I gather this kind of diversionary tactic is your haul mark.

More wishful thinking.

Far from intending to create a diversion, I would have been much more interested in eliciting your response to the post which caused your hysterical outburst. You have stated, for example, that the Ripper was a blitz attacker, and that this is an opinion substantiated by Roy Hazelwood amongst sundry other experts.

Here’s a link to a report on the FBI’s website:-

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/october/serial-killers-part-8-new-research-aims-to-help-investigators-solve-cases/serial-murder-pathways-for-investigations

And here’s a quotation that may be found on Page 11:-

‘Blitz was defined as an immediate physical attack, without any verbal interaction.’

As I previously stated, the blitz attack was originally defined as a mode of assault which entailed no precrime interaction between victim and assailant. This definition was later relaxed by criminologists and crime analysts in order to facilitate obvious blitz attacks where minimal interaction occurred. You, however, insisted that we stick to the original FBI version. Okay, then, let’s do that.

Explain, if you will, the clear interaction witnessed by Mrs Long involving the woman presumed to have been Annie Chapman and her likely killer. Perhaps you’d also care to explain how Chapman and this man made their way into the yard if Chapman was killed blitz-style – in other words, if the attack took place immediately upon first contact with no precrime interaction of any kind.

The same applies to Kate Eddowes, who was almost certainly seen with her killer at the Church Passage entry. In this instance there was palpable precrime interaction between victim and assailant. On top of this Eddowes’ body was found approximately ten minutes later at an entirely different location.

The blitz attack as originally defined by the FBI, remember, constitutes an immediate physical attack with no interaction between victim and assailant.

So, given your aversion to diversionary tactics, feel free to explain how either of the Chapman or Eddowes murders could have resulted from a blitz attack.

[pinkmoon]

"Not the slightest scrap of evidence" I think this sums up the whole case the so called "suspects" aren't that at all merely policemans theories.

[Roy Corduroy]

But then he adds that "not the slightest scrap of evidence" could be found against him ...

Aaron Kosminski was not the man Cox watched. That man

had his shop
was observed busy as usual in daylight hours
waited on customers

I have patiently explained this to you several times, Jeff, but you respond with this wierd thing you do. You make a joke or something.

I used to do stuff like you do when I was a boy, Jeff. Say my friend and I were looking for something, and I didn't find anything, I'd take a nickel out of my pocket and put it on the ground and say "hey look what I found."

Your posts are entertaining over time.

Roy

[pinkmoon]

Well actually the knowns fit Aaron Kozminski quite well. Where i believe Fido and Begg made an error was in the assumption that there was only one Asylum incident…. If Aaron entered a Private Asylum in March 1889 (And possibly earlier also Dec1888) as Martin speculated and preferred, then we have a very good match indeed with Begg's preferred Kozminski.

And a number of interesting posts here have speculated that Martin may even have been correct about a mix-up between Cohen and Aaron at Leaman street police station, they were remarkably similar…But that might not go down well with other Kozminskites... thats speculation for another day.

The one i'm interested in is Aaron's family and close relatives and a raid on a brothel at present. I mean has anyone ever wondered if Kozminski might have had family connections to prostitution? 'A strong hatred of women' where does that come from?

Cox:

"He made his way down to St George's in the East End, and there to my astonishment I saw him stop and speak to a drunken woman.

I crouched in a doorway and held my breath. Was he going to throw himself right into my waiting arms? He passed on after a moment or two, and on I slunk after him.

As I passed the woman she laughed and shouted something after me, which, however, I did not catch.

My man was evidently of opinion that he might be followed every minute. Now and again he turned his head and glanced over his shoulder, and consequently I had the greatest difficulty in keeping behind him.

I had to work my way along, now with my back to the wall, now pausing and making little runs for a sheltering doorway. Not far from where the model lodging house stands he met another woman, and for a considerable distance he walked along with her.

Just as I was beginning to prepare myself for a terrible ordeal, however, he pushed her away from him and set off at a rapid pace."

And what is that?

Cox:

"I followed him to Lehman Street, and there I saw him enter a shop which I knew was the abode of a number of criminals well known to the police.

He did not stay long. For about a quarter of an hour I hung about keeping my eye on the door, and at last I was rewarded by seeing him emerging alone."

Cox:

"He occupied several shops"

Macnaughten via Sims:

"who was the sole occupant of certain premises in Whitechapel after night-fall"


Yours Jeff

But then he adds that "not the slightest scrap of evidence" could be found against him and that the police continued to investigate the crimes long afterwards.He concludes by saying that the crimes are much a mystery as they were 15 years ago that the theories of amateur detectives are based on nothing more than surmise.

[Jeff Leahy]

Your idea of fits is different to mine, and the know nots far outweigh the knowns !

Well actually the knowns fit Aaron Kozminski quite well. Where i believe Fido and Begg made an error was in the assumption that there was only one Asylum incident…. If Aaron entered a Private Asylum in March 1889 (And possibly earlier also Dec1888) as Martin speculated and preferred, then we have a very good match indeed with Begg's preferred Kozminski.

And a number of interesting posts here have speculated that Martin may even have been correct about a mix-up between Cohen and Aaron at Leaman street police station, they were remarkably similar…But that might not go down well with other Kozminskites... thats speculation for another day.

The one i'm interested in is Aaron's family and close relatives and a raid on a brothel at present. I mean has anyone ever wondered if Kozminski might have had family connections to prostitution? 'A strong hatred of women' where does that come from?

Cox:

"He made his way down to St George's in the East End, and there to my astonishment I saw him stop and speak to a drunken woman.

I crouched in a doorway and held my breath. Was he going to throw himself right into my waiting arms? He passed on after a moment or two, and on I slunk after him.

As I passed the woman she laughed and shouted something after me, which, however, I did not catch.

My man was evidently of opinion that he might be followed every minute. Now and again he turned his head and glanced over his shoulder, and consequently I had the greatest difficulty in keeping behind him.

I had to work my way along, now with my back to the wall, now pausing and making little runs for a sheltering doorway. Not far from where the model lodging house stands he met another woman, and for a considerable distance he walked along with her.

Just as I was beginning to prepare myself for a terrible ordeal, however, he pushed her away from him and set off at a rapid pace."

And what is that?

Cox:

"I followed him to Lehman Street, and there I saw him enter a shop which I knew was the abode of a number of criminals well known to the police.

He did not stay long. For about a quarter of an hour I hung about keeping my eye on the door, and at last I was rewarded by seeing him emerging alone."

Cox:

"He occupied several shops"

Macnaughten via Sims:

"who was the sole occupant of certain premises in Whitechapel after night-fall"


Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

I just can't see it sorry from what I have read over the years I have come to the conclusion that Kosminski was not jack the ripper.I think some policeman favoured him because in their eyes a English man couldn't possibly have committed such foul deeds times were a lot different then and forigners were looked upon with great distaste and treated atrousiously by a large section of society might well be why Anderson and Swanson preferred kosminski over Druitt after all Druitt was a gentleman and a gentleman could not possibly have committed such outrages it's just not cricket is it.

Personally i think it unfair to point the anti-sematisum card at either Swanson or Anderson.

Actually following criticism from Mentor Anderson went out of his way to make it clear in LSOMOL that he wasn't being anti-Semitic (And lets face it he was an expert on the old testament) and added a number of changes to make that point clear…He was speaking about a very specific group of people, indeed if you read it carefully it can't be helped concluding he was talking about a specific family.

Yours Jeff

[pinkmoon]

Hi Pink

I'm simply pointing out that Anderson address this in LSOMOL saying why he was not going to release the name. I also believe that Anderson had a meeting with Matilda and worked with her to bring her brother to justice..

So he gave his word to a lady.. That would have been sacrosanct to a Millenists or Bretheren.

There was also Monro's 'Hot Potato' the potential for jewish riots and the Tayloring community were right in the firing line from all directions

Yours Jeff

I just can't see it sorry from what I have read over the years I have come to the conclusion that Kosminski was not jack the ripper.I think some policeman favoured him because in their eyes a English man couldn't possibly have committed such foul deeds times were a lot different then and forigners were looked upon with great distaste and treated atrousiously by a large section of society might well be why Anderson and Swanson preferred kosminski over Druitt after all Druitt was a gentleman and a gentleman could not possibly have committed such outrages it's just not cricket is it.

[Trevor Marriott]

As stated in my previous post Aaron Kozminski is currently the only suspect that fits the knowns relating to Kozminski.

Yours Jeff

Your idea of fits is different to mine, and the know nots far outweigh the knowns !

[Jeff Leahy]

The police would have wanted the ripper case solved their public image took a terrible battering and they would have wanted to reinstall confidence to the general public also could a police officer resist the temptation to be known as the man who cracked the world's biggest case.If there was the slightest chance of Kosminski been jack the ripper the police would have moved heaven and earth to convict him I just can't see him been allowed to enter an asylum and left forgotten for years.

Hi Pink

I'm simply pointing out that Anderson address this in LSOMOL saying why he was not going to release the name. I also believe that Anderson had a meeting with Matilda and worked with her to bring her brother to justice..

So he gave his word to a lady.. That would have been sacrosanct to a Millenists or Bretheren.

There was also Monro's 'Hot Potato' the potential for jewish riots and the Tayloring community were right in the firing line from all directions

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Jeff,

But it's the "high risk random approach", taken by BS man, that makes me seriously doubt that he could possibly be JtR, whose general MO and approach, I believe, was far more organized.

Hi John

Yeah I get what you and some posters here have been saying.

Somewhere i have some links that take you to people suffering paranoid delusions You tube. They are often quite articulate and more than capable of carrying out conversation. Also schizophrenic psychosis hits sufferers in waves and is affected by catalyst.. Nearly every expert I've spoken with suggests that alcohol could be a factor. So is a Psychotic heavily under the influence of alcohol more coherent than one who hasn't had a drink yet?

I'm also saying that if you look at attacks outside of the cannon, Annie Millwood for example, your looking at something very high risk and random, so perhaps Jack tried many attacks that failed or went wrong (I beehive Bundie describes failed attempts) and what we see is just the tip of the ice burg

Yours Jeff

[pinkmoon]

or as Anderson says 'no benefit could come to my old department from doing so'

i.e. there was a institution of not telling tales out of school

Yours Jeff

The police would have wanted the ripper case solved their public image took a terrible battering and they would have wanted to reinstall confidence to the general public also could a police officer resist the temptation to be known as the man who cracked the world's biggest case.If there was the slightest chance of Kosminski been jack the ripper the police would have moved heaven and earth to convict him I just can't see him been allowed to enter an asylum and left forgotten for years.

[John G]

OK… Failed attacks.

Its generally assumed that Jack only killed five in a clear and purposeful MO.

Your now raising the possibility of a failed knife attack in brick lane on his own sister. And actually if we look at the attack described by Schwartz we are , as a few people have pointed out, looking at a killer taking a high risk random approach and with such a killer we would expect to see other failed attacks.

It's interesting that this high risk attack very much matches the type of an attack reported by Annie Millwood in Whites Row and somewhere in the back of my mind is an attack on a woman in Hanbury street. You might even re-consider Smith as a failed attack, she managed to get away.

Actually there are possibly more failed attacks than successful ones if you start to include Wilson, even Tabram might be argued as a failed Ripper attack

Yours Jeff

Hi Jeff,

But it's the "high risk random approach", taken by BS man, that makes me seriously doubt that he could possibly be JtR, whose general MO and approach, I believe, was far more organized.

[Jeff Leahy]

Good morning Jeff,

Please check your mails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01X3wVlw3rw

OK… Failed attacks.

Its generally assumed that Jack only killed five in a clear and purposeful MO.

Your now raising the possibility of a failed knife attack in brick lane on his own sister. And actually if we look at the attack described by Schwartz we are , as a few people have pointed out, looking at a killer taking a high risk random approach and with such a killer we would expect to see other failed attacks.

It's interesting that this high risk attack very much matches the type of an attack reported by Annie Millwood in Whites Row and somewhere in the back of my mind is an attack on a woman in Hanbury street. You might even re-consider Smith as a failed attack, she managed to get away.

Actually there are possibly more failed attacks than successful ones if you start to include Wilson, even Tabram might be argued as a failed Ripper attack

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

How does the term "Kosminsk the suspect" refer directly to Aaron Kosminski ?

As stated in my previous post Aaron Kozminski is currently the only suspect that fits the knowns relating to Kozminski.

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Good morning Jeff,

Please check your mails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01X3wVlw3rw

Ok I get it now Chase was another case with similarities to the samario your proposing. Please give me a little time to absorb…it was the word ride that through me out

Yours Jeff