Favoured Suspect...

[John Wheat]

Yet you are doing the inverse and stating the similarities in your mind make it Ripper like. Is that also boring and speculative?

Not really as Abby has stated Bury shows the SIG of the Ripper this is not true for any other suspect nor is it common for someone to show a serial killers SIG without being the Serial Killer.

[Sunny Delight]

Not really as Abby has stated Bury shows the SIG of the Ripper this is not true for any other suspect nor is it common for someone to show a serial killers SIG without being the Serial Killer.

The Rippers signature was post mortem mutilation followed by displaying of the victim. If anything the hiding of his wife's body is contrary to that. You can't pick out the things you see as bolstering your theory and ignore the rest. That is what is wrong with Ripperology.

[Sunny Delight]

I think that highly unlikely. As I've previously stated the Police had no previous knowledge of Serial Killers.

They knew a fantasist when they saw one. That is age old whether you have 21st century forensics or not. It does appear superficially at least that Bury displayed this type of behaviour, from what we know. What have you really got on Bury that makes him a good suspect? He was in the area? An area populated by almost 40,000 people. He strangled his wife and attempted to mutilate her abdomen? Strangulation was Ripper MO but the mutilation attempted by Bury bore little resemblance to how the Ripper acted.

What else have you got? He wrote some graffitti on his wall saying he was JTR? Hardly evidence. More likely the ramblings of a fantasist.

He didn't cut the throat nor attempy significant mutilation. Nor did he display the victim. Let's be honest. You don't have much.

[John Wheat]

The Rippers signature was post mortem mutilation followed by displaying of the victim. If anything the hiding of his wife's body is contrary to that. You can't pick out the things you see as bolstering your theory and ignore the rest. That is what is wrong with Ripperology.

No the Ripper's signature is post mortem mutilation. In the C5 the bodies were just left in the street.

[John Wheat]

They knew a fantasist when they saw one. That is age old whether you have 21st century forensics or not. It does appear superficially at least that Bury displayed this type of behaviour, from what we know. What have you really got on Bury that makes him a good suspect? He was in the area? An area populated by almost 40,000 people. He strangled his wife and attempted to mutilate her abdomen? Strangulation was Ripper MO but the mutilation attempted by Bury bore little resemblance to how the Ripper acted.

What else have you got? He wrote some graffitti on his wall saying he was JTR? Hardly evidence. More likely the ramblings of a fantasist.

He didn't cut the throat nor attempy significant mutilation. Nor did he display the victim. Let's be honest. You don't have much.

And that's compared to who? What suspect are you talking about who strangled then mutilated someone to the extent Mary Kelly was mutilated? The Ripper investigation was quite wide reaching so I would expect the Ripper to be in there somewhere. What fantasy suspect do you have who is a better suspect than Bury?

[Sunny Delight]

No the Ripper's signature is post mortem mutilation. In the C5 the bodies were just left in the street.

And displaying the victim with skirts raised.

[Sunny Delight]

And that's compared to who? What suspect are you talking about who strangled then mutilated someone to the extent Mary Kelly was mutilated? The Ripper investigation was quite wide reaching so I would expect the Ripper to be in there somewhere. What fantasy suspect do you have who is a better suspect than Bury?

I don't have a suspect beyond probably some unknown nobody, whose name was in the files, long lost to history. The suspects we do have are pretty poor overall. We have nothing on most of them and even the circumstantial links are tenuous in many cases. In my own view we are probably looking at someone akin to Robert Napper who illicited the same types of escalation in his attacks.

The Ripper killed Prostitutes because they were an easy target. He didn't have to approach them. He didn't have to pick a location. I would say the FBI profile probably isn't too far out in the general sense of what he was like. Neat and tidy. Odd. Lived alone. Lived in the locality. Quiet and inoffensive. Likely was prowling Whitechapel on various nights and quite often looking for victims.

[John Wheat]

I don't have a suspect beyond probably some unknown nobody, whose name was in the files, long lost to history. The suspects we do have are pretty poor overall. We have nothing on most of them and even the circumstantial links are tenuous in many cases. In my own view we are probably looking at someone akin to Robert Napper who illicited the same types of escalation in his attacks.

The Ripper killed Prostitutes because they were an easy target. He didn't have to approach them. He didn't have to pick a location. I would say the FBI profile probably isn't too far out in the general sense of what he was like. Neat and tidy. Odd. Lived alone. Lived in the locality. Quiet and inoffensive. Likely was prowling Whitechapel on various nights and quite often looking for victims.

But Bury fits the FBI profile extremely well.

[John Wheat]

And displaying the victim with skirts raised.

I don't agree.

[Lewis C]

Bury's murder of his wife isn't identical to known Ripper murders, but it is more similar to a Ripper murder than anything known to have been done by any other suspect in the case.

[Abby Normal]

But Bury fits the FBI profile extremely well.

and bury fits history's profile of the typical serial killer.. local avg joe nobody.

[Abby Normal]

Bury's murder of his wife isn't identical to known Ripper murders, but it is more similar to a Ripper murder than anything known to have been done by any other suspect in the case.

yup totally agree.

[GBinOz]

Bury's murder of his wife isn't identical to known Ripper murders, but it is more similar to a Ripper murder than anything known to have been done by any other suspect in the case.

Hi Lewis C,

Aren't you overlooking Deeming?

With both Bury and Deeming we see the certain murder of family members along with the suspicion of the serial killing of strangers. Bury used strangulation. Deeming used strangulation and throat cutting, the latter being more similar to the ripper technique. Both attempted to hid the body(ies) of family members to escape the consequences. Bury subsequently revealed the body, whereas Deeming never did - neither did JtR. Both fitted the FBI profile. Both were disposing of people who had out served their purpose. Bury chose to advertise with the chalk graffiti, Deeming did not, and JtR's possible chalk graffiti was obscure at best, and certainly not self implicating.

The divergent aspect being relied upon for Bury is the abdominal attack. While I can see a killer using similar techniques with family and strangers to achieve the actual deaths, I am not persuaded that the killer would have felt the urge to perpetrate the eviscerations on family members that drove him to visit such injuries on the strangers.

I see the abdominal attack by Bury as inconsistent with the differentiation between family and stranger, but perfectly consistent with his fantasy of attempting to be perceived as a person of notoriety rather than an insignificant drunken parasite.

Cheers, George