Favoured Suspect...

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis,

I take your point, although I think it might have been irresponsible, and a little illogical not to investigate Bury further if there was any reason to think that they may have been hanging the ripper. The police were being heavily criticised - albeit rather unfairly - for their continued failure to catch the killer and make the women of Whitechapel safe again. It would have been a huge relief to everyone concerned had they been able to find evidence that Bury was their man, but instead they eliminated him, sending a signal that the ripper was still around and could strike again at any time.

Conversely, if they had tried to reassure the public, without the evidence to back it up, that the ripper murders had ended with Bury's execution, it would have come back to haunt them if and when another similar murder was committed - as was indeed the case. I'm not sure they could have won either way, but I'd like to think they'd have taken it a tad more seriously than to drop Bury from their inquiries after his long drop and hope for the best.

Love,

Caz
X

That's a good point, Caz. I doubt that Bury's imminent hanging was the primary reason that they didn't look into him for very long, but maybe if they were inclined to doubt that he was the Ripper anyway, maybe it played a minor role.

[GBinOz]

hi fiver
do we know why the hangman suspected bury? it really seems odd to me that berry, who wrote a book including all the famous criminals he'd hung, didnt include bury more with the ripper connection. you would think he would have jumped at the chance to write about how he had hung the ripper!

Hi Abby,

While he may have had suspicions at the time, by the time his book came out in 1892, after Mckenzie, Pinchin St and Coles, it had become clear that the police were still looking for the ripper. This seems to have allayed his suspicions to the point where he considered Bury a just a wife killer.

Cheers, George

[John Wheat]

Hi Abby,

While he may have had suspicions at the time, by the time his book came out in 1892, after Mckenzie, Pinchin St and Coles, it had become clear that the police were still looking for the ripper. This seems to have allayed his suspicions to the point where he considered Bury a just a wife killer.

Cheers, George

Berry may have wanted not to include Bury in his book because it would surely have all become about Berry hanging the Ripper and not everything else that had happened in Berry's life.

[Sunny Delight]

Berry may have wanted not to include Bury in his book because it would surely have all become about Berry hanging the Ripper and not everything else that had happened in Berry's life.

We will never know. Probably more likely though that Bury didn't actually tell him anything worth talking about.

[caz]

It doesn't seem they did though Caz.

But I don't know why they discounted Bury as the ripper, nor how much effort they put into doing so. Do you?

You personally believe he is a strong ripper suspect, while the police at the time evidently came to the opposite conclusion. Do you think they would have done so on nothing more than a hunch or a lazy assumption, when so much was at stake? Being able to hang Bury as the ripper, and not just a one-off wife killer, would have been huge.

If you are speculating that they did very little to investigate the JtR angle because you believe further inquiries ought to have led them to see Bury through your eyes, that would be a circular argument, wouldn't it?

Could it not equally have been the case that they did investigate the JtR angle as far as they reasonably could, in the hope of solving a whole series of murders with the one length of rope, but found enough evidence to rule Bury out, or not enough to make a case?

Love,

Caz
X

[John Wheat]

But I don't know why they discounted Bury as the ripper, nor how much effort they put into doing so. Do you?

You personally believe he is a strong ripper suspect, while the police at the time evidently came to the opposite conclusion. Do you think they would have done so on nothing more than a hunch or a lazy assumption, when so much was at stake? Being able to hang Bury as the ripper, and not just a one-off wife killer, would have been huge.

If you are speculating that they did very little to investigate the JtR angle because you believe further inquiries ought to have led them to see Bury through your eyes, that would be a circular argument, wouldn't it?

Could it not equally have been the case that they did investigate the JtR angle as far as they reasonably could, in the hope of solving a whole series of murders with the one length of rope, but found enough evidence to rule Bury out, or not enough to make a case?

Love,

Caz
X

It doesn't seem as though they put much effort into Bury perhaps their prejudices prevented them from investigating Bury properly. I'm suggesting that if they had investigated Bury more thoroughly there'd likely be some record of it.

[Lewis C]

But I don't know why they discounted Bury as the ripper, nor how much effort they put into doing so. Do you?

You personally believe he is a strong ripper suspect, while the police at the time evidently came to the opposite conclusion. Do you think they would have done so on nothing more than a hunch or a lazy assumption, when so much was at stake? Being able to hang Bury as the ripper, and not just a one-off wife killer, would have been huge.

If you are speculating that they did very little to investigate the JtR angle because you believe further inquiries ought to have led them to see Bury through your eyes, that would be a circular argument, wouldn't it?

Could it not equally have been the case that they did investigate the JtR angle as far as they reasonably could, in the hope of solving a whole series of murders with the one length of rope, but found enough evidence to rule Bury out, or not enough to make a case?

Love,

Caz
X

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they didn't find enough evidence to make a case against him, since I think that's where we are with him. I think he's the strongest among a weak group of suspects, and yet I think it's more likely that the killer was someone other than him than that it was him.

[Paddy Goose]

Good afternoon Rookie D,

... a top 10 ...

Who is on your list please?

[Mark J D]

Who is on your list please?

1) Lechmere

2) Uh, that's it.

The geography by itself puts him in the Premier League. Alone.

Solved.

M.

[Herlock Sholmes]

His ‘being there’ is all there is. John Davis was there too. Alone with a recently killed Chapman. He wasn’t the killer either. Only the gullible or a child could think that Cross was the killer. An appalling, embarrassing suspect. When a suspect requires the manipulation of evidence, 100% deliberate falsification of the evidence, silly imaginary scams, contortions of the English language, deliberate misinterpretations and a list of bizarre and fatuous things that supposedly point to guilt then you know that something fishy is going on. This is a cottage industry created by two men for a reason. Their own benefit. Cross even has his own fan club tv channel - I’m waiting for the merchandise to be advertised. The whole shameful, dishonest, wretched debacle does nothing but bring the subject into disrepute.

[John Wheat]

His ‘being there’ is all there is. John Davis was there too. Alone with a recently killed Chapman. He wasn’t the killer either. Only the gullible or a child could think that Cross was the killer. An appalling, embarrassing suspect. When a suspect requires the manipulation of evidence, 100% deliberate falsification of the evidence, silly imaginary scams, contortions of the English language, deliberate misinterpretations and a list of bizarre and fatuous things that supposedly point to guilt then you know that something fishy is going on. This is a cottage industry created by two men for a reason. Their own benefit. Cross even has his own fan club tv channel - I’m waiting for the merchandise to be advertised. The whole shameful, dishonest, wretched debacle does nothing but bring the subject into disrepute.

Well said Herlock.

Cheers John

[Mark J D]

His ‘being there’ is all there is. John Davis was there too. Alone with a recently killed Chapman. He wasn’t the killer either. Only the gullible or a child could think that Cross was the killer. An appalling, embarrassing suspect. When a suspect requires the manipulation of evidence, 100% deliberate falsification of the evidence, silly imaginary scams, contortions of the English language, deliberate misinterpretations and a list of bizarre and fatuous things that supposedly point to guilt then you know that something fishy is going on. This is a cottage industry created by two men for a reason. Their own benefit. Cross even has his own fan club tv channel - I’m waiting for the merchandise to be advertised. The whole shameful, dishonest, wretched debacle does nothing but bring the subject into disrepute.

Uh, I referred specifically and solely to 'the geography'. The above outpouring doesn't engage with that. Why didn't you respond to what was written? Did you not understand my meaning?

M.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Uh, I referred specifically and solely to 'the geography'. The above outpouring doesn't engage with that. Why didn't you respond to what was written? Did you not understand my meaning?

M.

The geography means nothing. According to your thinking if a suspect is local to the murder sites it makes him guilty. You are the one who said “solved” so please don’t make any claim to rational thinking. Every single point against Cross has been thoroughly debunked by people who aren’t blind fan club members. He’s an appallingly weak suspect with nothing in his favour apart from the fact that he was alive in the area. The case against him has been built dishonestly. We can safely dismiss him.

[The Baron]

The geography by itself puts him in the Premier League. Alone.

Even better, there is an eyewitness who spotted him alone in a dark alley near a freshly killed and mutilated woman.



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes, he’s a great suspect. Or is he?



“Don't tell me you swallowed the blood 'evidence' of Fisherman?!”




“Lechmerians want us to believe anything they say,”




“It must be Lechmere's magic,”




“I like to start my daywork by killing cutting and mutilating someone around”




“Fisherman is selling the idea that if Mizen went to the body and found no policeman there,”




“And look how the Lechmerians contradict themselves!”




“This whole theory is based ubon the ignorance of all other parties involved, one has to be an imbecile to believe such nonsense”




“No Fish, that will not work, try harder!”




“Caz post has set an end to this fishy tunnel under logic and facts that you are trying to escape through”




“I read some fairy tales that were much better than this.”




“Sophistry: the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving”




“Lechmere wouldn't have lied to Mizen, then he is risking finding the police over his shoulder.”




“He could have run away, but the Lechmerians want us to believe he injected himself intentionally in the events after killing Nichols,”




“A very disturbed theory, with zero consistency.”




”Lechmerians have failed to bring any single evidence or shred of a clue to justify their claims, they even went to the extreme phantasy and presented Lechmere as the solo ripper-torso murderer of his time, aka Lechmerianismus!”




“If a lechmerian told me: look at Lechmere, all of his actions whithout any single exception were very normal, doesn't that seem suspicious to you? Then I would say he has a better argument than anything was ever produced by Fisherman and his company.”




“If he chose to run away no one ever will be talking now about him, and Paul could have very likely missed the body.”




“Thats why this is a very weak theory, one has first to believe of Lechmere guilt then try to find excuses to keep the flame on:




“Endless excuses to fit Lechmere in.




“But the Lechmerians remained in their subzero state of denial.”