John McCarthy

[The Rookie Detective]

It's a wonder John McCarthy made any money at all charitably housing all these penniless women. One wonders where his income came from at all!

Likely through racketeering, prostitution and facilitating corruption within the police.

[MrBarnett]

I'd have to agree MrB, it's highly plausible that it was Dorset St McCarthy listed at Abberlines' knees up. Unfortunately, I've totally lost track of why that was important in the first place.....

Me too! ;-)

So often people trot out the ‘McCarthy was a villain’ mantra, but when you ask them to back it up, all they have to fall back on is the infamous boxing match that got out of hand (big deal). And William Thick suffers from guilt by association.

I’m sure the doss house keepers did sail close to the wind at times, but then so did a large proportion of the male population of the East End.

Despite his numerous charitable efforts, I’m McCarthy was no saint, but I don’t believe he was an Al Capone or Jack the Ripper either.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I'd have to agree MrB, it's highly plausible that it was Dorset St McCarthy listed at Abberlines' knees up. Unfortunately, I've totally lost track of why that was important in the first place.....

[MrBarnett]

More about Good Old Jack.

Organising boxing matches in Dukes Place, eh? And giving the takings to the Victoria Hospital.

What a rogue.

[MrBarnett]

I’m trying to demonstrate that Dorset Street McC and his son were far more likely to have attended Abberline’s presentation than an unremarkable PS from a different division. I believe his reputation as a prominent and open-handed local businessman would have already been established by 1892, but a little more evidence wouldn’t go amiss.

Marie Kendall:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0oSfi-xhQc

[DJA]

Common knowledge,as you have expanded on.

Marie Kendall.

[MrBarnett]

Good question MrB.
Always surmised by 1888.
Why are you asking me



Somehow only part of my post has appeared,here's the full transcript.



The Victoria Park Hospital was also known as the London Chest Hospital and stood empty until 1881 when it opened with 164 beds.
25% of the East End were carrying TB.

McCarthy was also an important contributor to the London Hospital.

Guess who was a physician at both!

Who would be interested in removing Chapman's TB infected head!

As Mary Kelly's landlord,McCarthy was able to keep her under his watch for several weeks by not charging rent since the double event.


As soon as Barnett moved out ..... bingo!


As mentioned on another current thread,Henry ..... oops,Jack was headed towards Millers Court the night/morning of the double event. No doubt with the idea of a triple event in mind.

Keep in mind Major Henry Smith's tale of Jack washing his hands in a trough in Dorset Street.
The same person who had Eddowes' kidney put in Henry Gawen Sutton's hands for his expert opinion.
Same cousin of Robert Louis Stevenson's who was appointed Chief Superintendent,City Police in 1885,hence Inspector Newcomen in the novella.

I’m asking you because you made the statement and I assumed you had a source for it.

As you can see above, by 1911, McCarthys name was a byword for philanthropy. There are numerous examples of him putting his hand in his pocket for good causes. He gave alms to the poor, donated to hospitals, and organised benefits for police officers, boxers and retired entertainers. He had a son who went on the stage and shared his father’s love of the ring.

But of course, they couldn’t possibly have been among the local tradesmen who presented Abberline with his coffee set. That was the Lambeth PS John McCarthy who had briefly served in Whitechapel 4 years previously and his, I’m sure, very nice son.

[MrBarnett]

Boxing:

[MrBarnett]

It's a wonder John McCarthy made any money at all charitably housing all these penniless women. One wonders where his income came from at all!

From ‘Boxing’ 6 May, 1911

Sorry, Sean, I don’t know why I tacked that onto your post, although perhaps he did make a few bob out of gambling.

[DJA]

It's a wonder John McCarthy made any money at all charitably housing all these penniless women. One wonders where his income came from at all!

Seems he was a genius tax attorney

[DJA]

What, McCarthy the slum landlord? Surely not. ;-)

When did he support the LH, Dave? Before or after 1892?

The Dorset Street lodging house keepers and their families did charitable stuff for their local church and on one occasion Marie Kendal, Jack McCarthy’s daughter-in-law, paid for a slap-up Christmas meal for some of his residents and handed out food vouchers that could be redeemed at 27, Dorset Street.

Good question MrB.
Always surmised by 1888.
Why are you asking me



Somehow only part of my post has appeared,here's the full transcript.



The Victoria Park Hospital was also known as the London Chest Hospital and stood empty until 1881 when it opened with 164 beds.
25% of the East End were carrying TB.

McCarthy was also an important contributor to the London Hospital.

Guess who was a physician at both!

Who would be interested in removing Chapman's TB infected head!

As Mary Kelly's landlord,McCarthy was able to keep her under his watch for several weeks by not charging rent since the double event.


As soon as Barnett moved out ..... bingo!


As mentioned on another current thread,Henry ..... oops,Jack was headed towards Millers Court the night/morning of the double event. No doubt with the idea of a triple event in mind.

Keep in mind Major Henry Smith's tale of Jack washing his hands in a trough in Dorset Street.
The same person who had Eddowes' kidney put in Henry Gawen Sutton's hands for his expert opinion.
Same cousin of Robert Louis Stevenson's who was appointed Chief Superintendent,City Police in 1885,hence Inspector Newcomen in the novella.

[seanr]

Only one that we know of.
Mind you, I don't think Mrs Cox had a brass farthing to her name the night Mary Jane died, yet she was still there six weeks later, so you never know!

It's a wonder John McCarthy made any money at all charitably housing all these penniless women. One wonders where his income came from at all!

[MrBarnett]

The Victoria Park Hospital was also known as the London Chest Hospital and stood empty until 1881 when it opened with 164 beds.
25% of the East End were carrying TB.

McCarthy was also an important contributor to the London Hospital.

Guess who was a physician at both!

Who would be interested in removing Chapman's head!

What, McCarthy the slum landlord? Surely not. ;-)

When did he support the LH, Dave? Before or after 1892?

The Dorset Street lodging house keepers and their families did charitable stuff for their local church and on one occasion Marie Kendal, Jack McCarthy’s daughter-in-law, paid for a slap-up Christmas meal for some of his residents and handed out food vouchers that could be redeemed at 27, Dorset Street.

[DJA]

The “Duke of Cambridge” Philanthropic Society for instance.

This is from the ELO 30 January, 1886.

The Victoria Park Hospital was also known as the London Chest Hospital and stood empty until 1881 when it opened with 164 beds.
25% of the East End were carrying TB.

McCarthy was also an important contributor to the London Hospital.

Guess who was a physician at both!

Who would be interested in removing Chapman's head!

[Abby Normal]

Only one that we know of.
Mind you, I don't think Mrs Cox had a brass farthing to her name the night Mary Jane died, yet she was still there six weeks later, so you never know!

i agree with this and thanks for posting. i love seeing the bits of humanity in this tragedy. mary letting friends stay at her place, mccarthy letting them slide on the rent, the concern the unfortunates had for each other, edowes mimicking a fire siren when she was drunk (lol!), etc.. it was a tough place in tough times. poignant.