Here’s the McCarthy family’s timeline as I understand it.
1820s - Daniel's and Margarets' Births: Ireland (Cork).
1846 - Marriage: St Brides, Fleet Street, London (resident in nearby Farringdon Street).
1847/8 - John's birth: Dieppe/France/at sea.
1849 - Dennis's birth: Digswell, Hertfordshire.
1852 - Jeremiah's birth: Vine Passage, Ratcliff.
1855 - Mary Ann's birth: Hamlet Court, Ratcliff
1858 - Timothy's birth: Slade Court, Southwark.
1861 - Census: Red Cross Court, Southwark.
1862 - Daniel's birth: Southwark.
1864 - Hannah's birth: Southwark
1869 - Ellen's birth: Kettleby Court, Whitechapel.
1871 - Census: Kettleby Court, Whitechapel.
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Originally posted by DJA View Post
John was born in France after his parents left Ireland,settling in Southwark and he married in 1877.
Anyone know who the great grandparent was that linked Ellen and John?
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Originally posted by DJA View Post
Reckon someone had to alert Jack when Barnett moved out.
Jack was headed towards Dorset Street when he wrote GSG, after killing the other Mary Ann Kelly.
Then there is the forced entry to 13 Millers Court.
McCarthy supported the London Hospital.
Rumours have persisted through the years that McCarthy allowed MJK to build up the rent arrears as he was getting some 'freebies' and was giving her more leniency than he would have given many others. I think it was also around 5 weeks rent she owed by that stage. Highly unusual someone would be allowed to build up such a debt over a relatively long period. Was 'Indian Harry' (Bowyer) due to call anyway the next morning or was he prompted to go and collect the outstanding rent off the cuff?
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Originally posted by erobitha View PostMcCarthy was well known in the area. I'm pretty sure he had his thumbs in quite a few pies. In fact I beleive it may of been him who laid on Abberline's farewell drinks when he retired? At the very least he was present.
Jack was headed towards Dorset Street when he wrote GSG, after killing the other Mary Ann Kelly.
Then there is the forced entry to 13 Millers Court.
McCarthy supported the London Hospital.Last edited by DJA; 10-15-2020, 07:26 PM.
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Originally posted by MrBarnett View PostTracing the genealogy of East End McCarthies is a tricky job. J Mc’s immediate family were in the East End before they moved south of the river, so it’s possible he had second cousins there.
Anyone know who the great grandparent was that linked Ellen and John?Last edited by DJA; 10-15-2020, 07:24 PM.
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Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
I have no idea whether Lechmere’s neighbour Ellen McCarthy was related to the Dorset Street man. Her maiden name was McCarthy, so perhaps she was related by blood. Who knows?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist it. It’s not meant personally)
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Originally posted by DJA View PostThanks for that MrBarnett. Not at my best at 5.26am.
Seems she is also related to Kevin Bacon
Good research,lousy idea.
I have no idea whether Lechmere’s neighbour Ellen McCarthy was related to the Dorset Street man. Her maiden name was McCarthy, so perhaps she was related by blood. Who knows?
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McCarthy was well known in the area. I'm pretty sure he had his thumbs in quite a few pies. In fact I beleive it may of been him who laid on Abberline's farewell drinks when he retired? At the very least he was present.
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Thanks for that MrBarnett. Not at my best at 5.26am.
Seems she is also related to Kevin Bacon
Good research,lousy idea.
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Tracing the genealogy of East End McCarthies is a tricky job. J Mc’s immediate family were in the East End before they moved south of the river, so it’s possible he had second cousins there.
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Pretty sure John McCarthy and family were living in Dorset Street in 1881.
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John McCarthy
Good day to all
I believe i have made a little discovery...
May i ask...
Is it at all relevant that Mary Jane Kelly's landlord John McCarthy's extended family boarded in the same house as Charles Lechmere in 1881?
That would make a link between Charles Lechmere and Mary Jane Kelly through John McCarthy.
That would increase the likelihood that Charles Lechmere knew John McCarthy through his boarder
And if Charles knew John McCarthy, then he may have also known MJK
John McCarthy and the McCarthy widow who lodged with Charles Lechmere are linked through marriage to the widows deceased husband.
They were 2nd cousins
I know this because of my Genealogical detective undertakings.
John McCarthy the facilitator?
Let's not forget that MJK wasn't the only woman murdered in the dwellings. Not the same room as MJK, but close enough.
Could the McCarthy widow who boarded with Charles Lechmere be the key link between Charles Lechmere and MJK through John McCarthy?
Thoughts please?
TRD
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