Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Phil Carter]

Note "killer" and "murderer" - both singular.

Best wishes,
Steve.

Hello Steve,

The one thing you can put your last penny on is the referance to only ONE killer after the Eddowes and Stride murders especially.
The police were being hounded by all and sundry for being so poor they couldnt catch a cold. In that climate there is no way on Earth ANY policeman of rank will announce the possibility of TWO killers being on the loose amongst the poplace. Including the Home Secretary, jobs would be on the chopping block. The reaction to that kind of news would be handing a match to the holder of the revolutionary powder keg holders, I believe,

best wishes

Phil

[Steven Russell]

It should be noted that the police in official files always seem to have referred to these murders as "The Whitechapel Murders" and the killer as "The Whitechapel Murderer".

No Jack the Ripper !

Note "killer" and "murderer" - both singular.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Steelysama]

There seems to be some barbs going back and forth. I am not going to be involved in that. It seems unproductive.

So...could the Whitechapel Murders have been committed by some number of murderers, ranging between two and five, who would be only loosely related to each other if at all?

It is within the realm of possibility and, since we have no truly clear suspect, I cannot offer a firm refutation in that manner. I do not *know*, as well as a person could know, that there was only one murderer.

That being said, I do find the suggestion that there was no single murderer to be somewhat unlikely. The reason for this is that the Whitechapel Murders were a string of similar murders, seeming to form a crescendo of violent brutality which reached its most brutal point with the atrocity suffered by Mary Jane Kelly. I have never seen any indication that murders of this kind were at all common either before or after the "Autumn of Terror".

So I guess my question is this: Why would these murders, being so similar, be perpetrated in such quick succession by different murderers and then suddenly stop, with not one of the murderers ever being caught?

I think that is the logical question given the premise and I am interested in the response. My thanks to anyone who takes the time to provide some ideas on the answer to my query.

[Monty]

Wow, another cute quote.

You talk too much Phil.

And the same to you, with bells on.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Monty,

Cant handle your erudite and charming words eh?

A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.

Hereby dealt with in line above.


Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

it was Churchill that said of Stanley Baldwin

" he occasionally stumbled across the truth but hastily picked himself up as if nothing had happened"

Sums up the flat earthists in this genre perfectly.

Best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Keep droning Phil,

The evidence is there for all to see and form opinions upon.

I prefer the 'E' word. Something that Simon has failed to provide for some number of years now.

Now you can belittle, the facts speak for themselves. However the facts do not sit right in your world. So you twist words and intentions and manufacture theory, dress it as 'high probability' and parade it before the mass audience as any self promoting Illusionist does.

I don't claim to know better. Never did. That was yet another falsity put forward by you. I just counter and point out the evidence. You couldn't deal with that so labelled me arrogant and big headed. If your arguements stood by themseves then you wouldn't have needed to turn to personal attacks here and behind the boards.

Again, as you seem to be confused, the Luddite reference was to point out the inaccuracies Simon and yourself use to promote a false representation of events or person.

Keep coming up with the cute insults, it only shows you really have nothing in the fact and evidence locker.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

This is my point. You fantasists are too busy working on conspiracy, thinking of cute things to say in your clogs and flat caps that you completely and utterly miss the facts and reality of the situation.

It also seems to me that a few of your followers are a little too close behind you, their heads are so far up your posterior its cutting the flow of blood to their brains, thus rendering that organ completely helpless.

Thank heaven for the feeble minded, for they shall be easily led by lack of evidence and fact.
Monty

Hello all,

And here we have a prime example of those who claim to 'know better' showing the capacity of linguistic ability of reasonable considered opinion, with knowledge through the intelligent word,

Note the intended 'C' word. When all else is failing, fall back on that. Tarred again. Shame.

I wasnt aware that Simon had followers? I would have thought that particular epithet tars only those belonging to the sheepish community saying baaa. Or at this time of year, Bah humbug!
It is not we round earthists who play follow the leader. (Believe! Jack the Ripper killed 5 women!) well, some very knowledgeable authors say no to that, some question both Stride and Kelly.

It doesnt matter what equipment one uses from what age. The point still remains the same. The Earth is not flat as some still insist.

Best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Actually, common sense is a concept most alien to Luddites and Flat Earthists.

Have a safe, warm Christmas and a very happy New Year.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

As Ned and I share the same home village I feel a tad more qualified to comment on Luddites than some.

For example the framesmashers were NOT against modern technology but the unfair employment laws of the time.

This is my point. You fantasists are too busy working on conspiracy, thinking of cute things to say in your clogs and flat caps that you completely and utterly miss the facts and reality of the situation.

It also seems to me that a few of your followers are a little too close behind you, their heads are so far up your posterior its cutting the flow of blood to their brains, thus rendering that organ completely helpless.

Thank heaven for the feeble minded, for they shall be easily led by lack of evidence and fact.

Oh, and sincere Christmas wishes to you and yours Simon. Whatever our views, they are merely that and in the grand scheme mean nothing.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hi Monty,

Actually, common sense is a concept most alien to Luddites and Flat Earthists.

Have a safe, warm Christmas and a very happy New Year.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Having left my flat cap and clogs at' mill..

The product 'Jack' fell off the wagon as soon as all the top policemen started revealing they didnt and couldnt show agreement. And the Luddite Ripper community make up all sorts of explanations for that. Whilst asking us to first believe the honesty of one then another, according to what single piece of writing they pick out.

The Flat Earth society are known to be blinkered. Some see a Stonefish. Others stick to a traditonal goldfish. By the by- it is highly unusual for even the plainest of fish not to smell.
Blinkers in Ripperology are amazing- they cover the eyes and the nose- whilst some put fingers in their ears singing ' I dont want to hear you'.
Its not to their taste either. Perhaps they have the wrong grip? 5 senses down still screaming we koow better. The Earth CANNOT be round. 'We know'.

best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Wickerman,

Look on the bright side.

At least Lewis and Long's sightings rule out the 55-year-old 6'2" Tumblety.

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

yes i know and this is a crucial sighting..... over 40 and foreign looking blimey!!!!!

foreign looking is ok, it's the over 40, i really dont know what to say about this,...

But "over 40" is not a certainty, read Long's words (again).
"... I did not see the man's face, but I noticed that he was dark. He was wearing a brown low-crowned felt hat. I think he had on a dark coat, though I am not certain. By the look of him he seemed to me a man over forty years of age."

How do you determine a mans age from behind?
Did she assume his age due to his mode of dress?

Remember what Sarah Lewis said?
"-- he was short, pale faced, with a black small moustache, about 40 years of age

Chapman was about 5ft tall, and Mrs Long said the man was "a little taller", so anywhere between 5' 2" & 5' 6" might be reasonable and still considered short.

A mans age can be anywhere between 35 & 45 and still be consistent with much of the evidence given by several witnesses.
Determining accurate height & age is a precarious undertaking at the best of times.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

take care; be warned

Hello Malcolm. You are asking ALL the right questions. Stop soon or you may end up like Simon and me.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

hat trick

Hello Simon. Hmm, California has not been described as the cereal state for no reason.

So, from cereal state to serial killer, but without a surreal explanation.

Cheers.
LC

[Rubyretro]

[QUOTE=Malcolm X;200778]

yes i know and this is a crucial sighting..... over 40 and foreign looking blimey!!!!!

foreign looking is ok, it's the over 40, i really dont know what to say about this, because i can guarantee you that due to this late/ early hour, that this is definitely her killer, because it would be totally fluke for him to walk off and the real JTR to come along within 5 mins of this...... especially with her saying YES i'll have sex with you !

Yes, it's the "over 40" that bothers me too...maybe she changed her mind because of this ?