Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[lynn cates]

Beetmore

Hello Tom. Thanks for asking. It was SY's assumption.

Story from "Lloyd's" September 30, 1888. (I omit a paragraph about funeral.) (Continued in next post.)

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Agree 100%, Rob.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[robhouse]

For those who seem to want to believe that Jack the Ripper never existed... i.e that all or some of the C5 were not killed by one lone serial killer, I would suggest providing some evidence to support the theory. To me, the evidence supporting the theory of one lone killer is overwhelming, and is based largely on similarities between the crimes, including victimology, time of attack, method of approach, m.o., location of attacks, and most important, a comparison of the specific wounds, crime scenes, and body positioning. I have posted a pretty extensive comparison of these in the past. It is inconceivable, in my opinion, that Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly were not murdered by the same person. Nichols likewise is almost certain, as is Stride based on the theory that the killer was interrupted and frightened away before doing any mutilation of the corpse. Also, given the nature of the crimes, a particular type of killer is clearly suggested (post-mortem mutilator), and this also in my opinion lessens the likelihood of two killers acting together. I realize this all seems very boring for the revisionists out there, but there is absolutely zero evidence that suggests that any of the C5 were killed by someone other than Jack the Ripper. And I would throw in Tabram to boot. The fact that people on these boards keep repeating (and agreeing with other people) the suggestion that the 5 were killed by different killers, does not make it a more plausible theory.

RH

[Tom_Wescott]

Are you familiar with the Beadmore case? It occurred during the autumn of terror, but outside London. A girl was killed and subsequently mutilated--the latter to deflect blame and implicate JTR.

Did the killer admit this as fact or is this assumption? Sorry, but it's been years since I've read on the Beadmore case.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Malcolm. I wasn't talking about Liz nor the other lady killed by knife that night. I referred ONLY to Kate Eddowes. Why could not her assailant try to emulate Polly and Annie's slayer?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm. Out of curiosity, why must the "two killers" be on the loose? Why not one crazed killer/mutilator and a copy cat?

Are you familiar with the Beadmore case? It occurred during the autumn of terror, but outside London. A girl was killed and subsequently mutilated--the latter to deflect blame and implicate JTR.

Why could not Kate be the same type of thing?

Cheers.
LC

hi Lynn
a copy cat must be two people, but i dont go along with this theory simply because Stride and Eddowes are on the same night, plus strongly linked via Dutfields, i think this location was where he was intending to leave the graffiti, but he was unable to lure LIZ up the road, plus also; unable to kill anyone else close by instead, simply because she was still hanging around the yard, preventing him from leaving the graffiti there, plus part of a victim's clothing....... any part will do !

because there is no point leaving the graffiti on Dutfields for a normal style of murder that could have been committed by killer no 2 , it must be accompaning a hideaous mutilation only, this tells everyone that it's JTR and the graffiti links it back to Dutfields, he's saying, Eddowes is mine; plus that disaster earlier on is mine too.

it would be sheer fluke that both killers would be out on the street on the same night and at close times, plus also a very strong Jewish link to both murders..... no this is JTR only.

this anti-semetic link is repeated with MJK via GH and thus makes him look very guilty indeed, ( obviously) but i think something else is going on here but i just cant see the wood for the trees any more.

i definitely dont think that GH killed Annie Chapman, not a hope in hell, this looks like a downgraded version of his LA DE DA and slightly older too.

did GH blame this guy for his murder, just pretended that he was dressed a bit smarter for this ``grande finale``..... did GH target the last 3 only

well i dont know, but GH fails big time after 1889, because JTR is definitely not a ``stay at home family guy``

all the H fans have nothing much to say about GH after 1889, i've never seen any good reasons to explain this or a good suspect to fit him, they know my feelings, GH draws a blank after 1889, the case goes cold.

finally, only Eddowes and MJK had the face mutilations, why didn't JTR mutilate Stride's face.... i can understand not gutting her, but why not the face instead ?........maybe this location was so risky that it was only safe for a quick CUT-THROAT murder only, ok this seems to make sense

[Simon Wood]

Hi Adam,

" . . . the more killers there are, the more likely it is that the police will stumble across him, her or them by accident or design."

Between January and December 1888, twelve women in East London died from knife attacks by unknown perpetrators.

That's twelve unsolved murders. Johnny Rozzer wasn't having much luck.

What made the C5 so special?

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Beadmore

Hello Malcolm. Out of curiosity, why must the "two killers" be on the loose? Why not one crazed killer/mutilator and a copy cat?

Are you familiar with the Beadmore case? It occurred during the autumn of terror, but outside London. A girl was killed and subsequently mutilated--the latter to deflect blame and implicate JTR.

Why could not Kate be the same type of thing?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

the last 3 look like one bloke yes, but all the others including the torsos could belong to the same bloke or another two, so we're in a right mess aren't we!

Tabram looks like two inexperienced street killers, this could be any two, but it could also be PIPEMAN and Broadshoulders together, we just dont know

JTR didn't mutilate Stride, so he could also have killed Coles and Mackenzie too, because this shows that his M.O/SIG is not fixed as a mutilator only, his interest in women could also mean that he was responsible for the torsos too, but i tend to doubt it, simply because this means that he's too busy doing this that and the other.

it looks like too many murders for one bloke to handle on his own, so i'm guessing that there's at least one more killer on the loose

[Adam Went]

Simon:

While I certainly lend credence to the possibility that not all of the 5 canonicals were killed by the same hand, there is strong evidence to indicate that at least 3 of them were.....to suggest that each victim belonged to an individual killer would mean not only was their two murderers stalking the streets within easy walking distance of one another on the night of September 29/30, but also that we have 5 seperate killers for the canonicals, another for Martha Tabram, presumably another for Alice Mackenzie, Rose Mylett, Frances Coles, Emma Smith, etc etc etc until the number of killers is in double figures. I'm not sure what the statistical likelihood of this being the case is, but an educated guess would tell me that it's not that likely - and on statistics alone (which, for the record, I don't like very much) the more killers there are, the more likely it is that the police will stumble across him, her or them by accident or design.

Trevor:

It's not difficult to understand why the killer was referred to only as "The Whitechapel Murderer" or similar within police circles - for starters, Jack the Ripper was a dramatic moniker which we can be almost certain never originated with the killer himself but with a shrewd pressman or individual who knew how to stir the pot, and it worked within the public. The police were about facts (or were supposed to be anyway), not press inventions and sensationalism. Besides, it's not as if the press and the police were exactly having a love affair with each other in 1888 - or in any time throughout history for that matter, they've always been one another's best friend and worst enemy at the same time.

Nonetheless it's a different idea, and I like different thinking. In small doses.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Trevor Marriott]

Don't let Trevor know Lynn, he'd get jealous.

Monty

I am quite happy to share my crown

[Monty]

The spice rack one.

Monty

[lynn cates]

cast off the shoe, follow the gourd

Hello Neil. Well, I forget. Is he with the shoe party or the gourd one?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

polling

Hello Steely. Well, I'm astonished THEY got it right.

By the way, many go from philosophy to some form of IT--one must get a living.

Sure, whenever you are ready, I'll be delighted to discuss the case/s. And no browbeating on my part. Just honest opinion.

Will that count as a poll about JTR? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Don't let Trevor know Lynn, he'd get jealous.

Monty