Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

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  • Wickerman
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    Originally posted by Malcolm X View Post
    She could not say what the age of the man was, but he looked to be over 40, and appeared to be a little taller than deceased. He appeared to be a foreigner, and had a 'shabby genteel' appearance. Witness could hear them talking loudly, and she overheard him say to the woman, "Will you?" to which she replied, "Yes."

    It's this from the Chapman murder that tends to screw up everything for me, because this is almost definitely JTR, as is the Eddowes suspect, thus it looks like more than one killer.
    The difference, if that is what you are looking for, is that Mrs Long saw Chapman's face and recognised her as the woman in the mortuary..

    "I saw the woman's face. Have seen the deceased in the mortuary, and I am sure the woman that I saw in Hanbury-street was the deceased."

    Lawende could not offer the same assurance, he only "thought" the clothes he was shown looked like those which the woman was wearing. And as many of these women dressed in very similar dark attire, Lawende's is not a reliable sighting.

    It is purely personal preference which keeps Lawende's sighting in the forefront.

    Regards, Jon S.
    Last edited by Wickerman; 12-11-2011, 04:38 PM.

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  • Monty
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    Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
    Common sense based on what medical evidence we had, perhaps?

    Anyway, it`s a flawed assumption..."we`re all really seeking".
    Common sense Jon? That's a concept alien to the fantasist.

    Besides, it doesn't sell.

    Monty

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  • Malcolm X
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    She could not say what the age of the man was, but he looked to be over 40, and appeared to be a little taller than deceased. He appeared to be a foreigner, and had a 'shabby genteel' appearance. Witness could hear them talking loudly, and she overheard him say to the woman, "Will you?" to which she replied, "Yes."

    It's this from the Chapman murder that tends to screw up everything for me, because this is almost definitely JTR, as is the Eddowes suspect, thus it looks like more than one killer.

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  • Jon Guy
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    Yeah, and why five murders only ? What`s that all about ?!?

    Crystal - balls!!

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  • lynn cates
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    clarity

    Hello Simon.

    "It is becoming increasingly clear that the five murders were not the work of one person."

    Yes, by now it is like crystal. Carry on!

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • Jon Guy
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    The true mystery to be solved, the answer we're all really seeking, is why the murders were promoted as being the work of one person.
    Common sense based on what medical evidence we had, perhaps?

    Anyway, it`s a flawed assumption..."we`re all really seeking".
    Last edited by Jon Guy; 12-11-2011, 01:58 PM.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Adam Went View Post
    Jason:

    It's uncanny the amount of times the actual culprit gets caught years later and was originally a suspect or at least associated party named in the original police files. Unfortunately, since so many have gone missing over the decades, we can't go over those with a fine toothcomb but it's highly likely IMO that Jack was somebody who at least had an eyebrow or two raised in his direction in 1888.

    Simon:

    You're quite right, Jack didn't exist....that name was a press invention. However, the crimes and the killer certainly did exist.

    Cheers,
    Adam.
    You are quite right the crimes did exist but if you take away the organ removal theory. and the suggestion based on the facts that the same killer committed all of the C5, and cannot be discounted from Tabram,Coles and Mckenzie you are left with nothing more than a series of unsolved murders of similar decsription clearly not all committed by the same killer.

    It should be noted that the police in official files always seem to have referred to these murders as "The Whitechapel Murders" and the killer as "The Whitechapel Murderer".

    No Jack the Ripper !

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  • Steven Russell
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi Steven,

    It is becoming increasingly clear that the five murders were not the work of one person.

    Jack the Ripper did not exist.

    The true mystery to be solved, the answer we're all really seeking, is why the murders were promoted as being the work of one person.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Hello, Simon.

    It may be clear to you but I wish you'd elaborate for those of us who believe the C5 to be the work of one man. Of course, I understand your playing your cards close to the chest before your book comes out, but could you let us have the gist of your theory?

    Best wishes,
    Steve.

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  • Wickerman
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi Steven,

    It is becoming increasingly clear that the five murders were not the work of one person.
    Is "five" your first assumption?

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Steven,

    It is becoming increasingly clear that the five murders were not the work of one person.

    Jack the Ripper did not exist.

    The true mystery to be solved, the answer we're all really seeking, is why the murders were promoted as being the work of one person.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Last edited by Simon Wood; 12-11-2011, 08:28 AM. Reason: spolling mistook

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  • Steven Russell
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    Hello, Simon.

    Do you have culprits in mind for the murders or is your theory just that the same person was not responsible for all?

    Best wishes,
    Steve.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Adam,

    I doubt that the non-existent Jack was a press invention.

    We do, however, have five corpses to account for.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • Adam Went
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    Jason:

    It's uncanny the amount of times the actual culprit gets caught years later and was originally a suspect or at least associated party named in the original police files. Unfortunately, since so many have gone missing over the decades, we can't go over those with a fine toothcomb but it's highly likely IMO that Jack was somebody who at least had an eyebrow or two raised in his direction in 1888.

    Simon:

    You're quite right, Jack didn't exist....that name was a press invention. However, the crimes and the killer certainly did exist.

    Cheers,
    Adam.

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  • Steven Russell
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    And no Fairy Fay.

    Best wishes,
    Steve.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Roy,

    What do you mean, there's no Santa Claus?

    Soon you'll be telling me there's no Tooth Fairy.

    Regards,

    Simon

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