Mr Blotchy

[Abby Normal]

Yes, I thought about that too
He was in the Whitechapel infirmary under police supervision. Now, whether that means the copper was sitting in a chair by his bed the whole time he was in there, I don`t know.
Could he have slipped out of a window at 1am and effectively cleared himself by committing a murder whilst he was supposedly confined.
Goulston Street was on the way back to the Infirmary.
Lots of questions.

one more: was Piggott actually a ripper suspect (or at least chapman suspect)at the time of his incarceration?
I believe he was-which of course would make it harder for him to leave, because if he was a murder suspect then, he was probably being guarded and/or kept somewhere he couldn't leave.

[Jon Guy]

To be fair to Piggott, he claimed that he hit the woman only after she bit him, when he tried to help her as she had a fit.

Yes, that`s what he said to the police.

Is there a good description of Isenschmidt? For what it's worth, Mrs Fiddymont (Star 10th Sept again) apparently said "The man did not look in the least like a butcher".

Yes, our Lynn Cates did some sterling research into him.
If you have a look at Lynn`s Isenschmidt threads, there are many photos of him (Jacob, not Lynne) and even physical descriptions such as height and weight.

[Joshua Rogan]

I don`t think Piggott was the Ripper, but in my opinion, the best known suspect.

Why?
Mrs Long description
He assaulted a woman on Sat morning somewhere off Brick Lane, and the blood stains on his clothes, and bite to his hand.
He was wandering around the area Fri/sat without lodgings.
He quickly absconded to Gravesend

Fiddy and Taylor didn`t pick him out as their man, but Mrs Chappell wasn`t so sure.

Yes, Abberline thought he was the man, but Jacob was much too fat to be Fiddy`s man.
Did Abberline actually see Isenchmidt ? I know Thicke went to the asylum

To be fair to Piggott, he claimed that he hit the woman only after she bit him, when he tried to help her as she had a fit.

Is there a good description of Isenschmidt? For what it's worth, Mrs Fiddymont (Star 10th Sept again) apparently said "The man did not look in the least like a butcher".

[Jon Guy]

Ive often wondered about Piggot-he checks a lot of boxes. Plus Ive wondered about his incarceration-how easy for him to get out (and return) to have done the double event. Imean he wasn't actually in jail Correct?

Yes, I thought about that too
He was in the Whitechapel infirmary under police supervision. Now, whether that means the copper was sitting in a chair by his bed the whole time he was in there, I don`t know.
Could he have slipped out of a window at 1am and effectively cleared himself by committing a murder whilst he was supposedly confined.
Goulston Street was on the way back to the Infirmary.
Lots of questions.

[Abby Normal]

Yes, this is a problem, but it has been noted that Eddowes could have been by a different hand, and Piggott was out and about again when Kelly was killed.

Thanks for clarifying Jon

Ive often wondered about Piggot-he checks a lot of boxes. Plus Ive wondered about his incarceration-how easy for him to get out (and return) to have done the double event. Imean he wasn't actually in jail Correct?

[Fisherman]

I don`t think Piggott was the Ripper, but in my opinion, the best known suspect.

Why?
Mrs Long description
He assaulted a woman on Sat morning somewhere off Brick Lane, and the blood stains on his clothes, and bite to his hand.
He was wandering around the area Fri/sat without lodgings.
He quickly absconded to Gravesend

Fiddy and Taylor didn`t pick him out as their man, but Mrs Chappell wasn`t so sure.

Yes, Abberline thought he was the man, but Jacob was much too fat to be Fiddy`s man.
Did Abberline actually see Isenchmidt ? I know Thicke went to the asylum

Okay, thanks Jon!

I donīt think there is any evidence that Abberline saw Issenschmid - but having made the call he did, he would have been served a useful description, methinks.

[Jon Guy]

Thanks Jon
But surely chapman was killed by the ripper, and Piggott couldn't have been the ripper, having been incarcerated on the night of the double event?

Yes, this is a problem, but it has been noted that Eddowes could have been by a different hand, and Piggott was out and about again when Kelly was killed.

[Jon Guy]

In the early 1870:s, the average height for British men was 5 ft 5, so being 5 inches shorter would not have been that dramatic. Reasonably, a good many men would have been of that height.

The Swedish king Gustav Vasa was regarded as a giant back in the 1500:s. He was 163 centimeters, which would be around 5 ft 3 or 5 ft 4. The rest would have been a fair bit shorter.

Thanks Christer, I was doubtful because I hadn`t read that before. I wrote an article on him ages ago and I`m sure I had a full description of him from a good source but maybe his height was not mentioned.
Although, it does put him at Chapman`s height which is what Long saw (a little taller than the deceased)

[Robert St Devil]

Yes, the artist sketched Piggott when he thought he was drawing Pizer.
Both were take into custody on the Monday morning. Piggott was taken to Commercial Street and then onto Leman Street for the Fiddy id parade. Pizer was taken to Leman Street

Pizer actually saw the Star sketch and said it looked "more like the man in the moon" than himself :-)

Haha nice!

I noticed the man in the pic has a resemblance to George R. Sims, the journalist who the coffee stallholder claimed visited his stall "shortly after the double murder, and announced to the stallholder that he would hear of two more murders the following day". I wonder if the man believed to be Jack the Ripper had a striking resemblance to these men.

[Jon Guy]

So you are going with the troika Long/Cadosh/Richardson, then? But Mrs Fiddymont didnīt pick Piggott out as the guy she had seen. Instead Abberline stated that Issenschmid was this man. And Piggot was not responsible for Eddowes, obviously.
So what specifically makes you go for Piggott in the Chapman case?

I don`t think Piggott was the Ripper, but in my opinion, the best known suspect.

Why?
Mrs Long description
He assaulted a woman on Sat morning somewhere off Brick Lane, and the blood stains on his clothes, and bite to his hand.
He was wandering around the area Fri/sat without lodgings.
He quickly absconded to Gravesend

Fiddy and Taylor didn`t pick him out as their man, but Mrs Chappell wasn`t so sure.

Yes, Abberline thought he was the man, but Jacob was much too fat to be Fiddy`s man.
Did Abberline actually see Isenchmidt ? I know Thicke went to the asylum

[Fisherman]

Can`t believe he was barely 5ft high, though, he was a Hobbit

In the early 1870:s, the average height for British men was 5 ft 5, so being 5 inches shorter would not have been that dramatic. Reasonably, a good many men would have been of that height.

The Swedish king Gustav Vasa was regarded as a giant back in the 1500:s. He was 163 centimeters, which would be around 5 ft 3 or 5 ft 4. The rest would have been a fair bit shorter.

[Abby Normal]

In my opinion, he`s the best known suspect for Chapman.

Thanks Jon
But surely chapman was killed by the ripper, and Piggott couldn't have been the ripper, having been incarcerated on the night of the double event?

[Fisherman]

In my opinion, he`s the best known suspect for Chapman.

So you are going with the troika Long/Cadosh/Richardson, then? But Mrs Fiddymont didnīt pick Piggott out as the guy she had seen. Instead Abberline stated that Issenschmid was this man. And Piggot was not responsible for Eddowes, obviously.
So what specifically makes you go for Piggott in the Chapman case?

[Jon Guy]

I saw that sketch in the Star. I think it was Piser.

Yes, the artist sketched Piggott when he thought he was drawing Pizer.
Both were take into custody on the Monday morning. Piggott was taken to Commercial Street and then onto Leman Street for the Fiddy id parade. Pizer was taken to Leman Street

Pizer actually saw the Star sketch and said it looked "more like the man in the moon" than himself :-)

[Robert St Devil]

I saw that sketch in the Star. I think it was Piser.