Mr Blotchy

[Craig H]

Sorry to go back several pages to the Joseph Taylor description of the man drinking at the Prince Albert pub.

I hadn't read this before and found it interesting. Do others think this was Jack ?

While I know there were many examples of people thinking they saw the Ripper, this makes sense for several reasons:

• Similar description to other witnesses (Lowende, PC Smith, Marshall)
• Blood stain on sleeve
• Agitated (after killing two people)
• Timing was right (likely to have walked around since the murders)
• Knew he was being followed and crossed Brushfield Street several times to lose the follower
• Appeared to be hiding something under his coat (a knife or blood stained shirt)

Craig

[c.d.]

Hello Abby,

He may or may not have been a suspect but he almost certainly (and here is where the idiot thing comes in) would have been considered a person of interest. As such, he would have been questioned and his answers would have to make sense.

I agree that the police at the time were not used to dealing with serial killers but that didn't change the fact that they had routine investigative procedures which they followed.

c.d.

[Abby Normal]

Hello Abby,

Then in theory every single individual interviewed by the police at the time could have actually been the Ripper but somehow managed to fool the police.

As far as Hutch goes we have to make a determination as best we can as to whether or not the police would have considered his story and behavior that night suspicious. I think unless the police were complete and total idiots the answer has to be yes. If the answer is yes it is reasonable to assume they questioned him and investigated him as best they could. They apparently cleared him. Could he have fooled them? Absolutely. But unfortunately that is all we have to go on. So we can speculate all we want as to his possible involvement in the murder but the fact remains he did get a "pass" from the police whether we agree with their assessment or not.

c.d.

Hi CD
I don’t think the police were idiots at all. They just weren’t used to dealing with serial killers and serial homicide at this point in time. And there is no evidence he was ever even considered a suspect.

[c.d.]

many serial killers have gotten a "pass" by police. theyre usually good liars and manipulators.

Hello Abby,

Then in theory every single individual interviewed by the police at the time could have actually been the Ripper but somehow managed to fool the police.

As far as Hutch goes we have to make a determination as best we can as to whether or not the police would have considered his story and behavior that night suspicious. I think unless the police were complete and total idiots the answer has to be yes. If the answer is yes it is reasonable to assume they questioned him and investigated him as best they could. They apparently cleared him. Could he have fooled them? Absolutely. But unfortunately that is all we have to go on. So we can speculate all we want as to his possible involvement in the murder but the fact remains he did get a "pass" from the police whether we agree with their assessment or not.

c.d.

[GUT]

Or a convincing explanation as to why she would get such a momentous day confused with another?

To my mind she either mistook the identity of the woman she had seen or MJK was alive, but unwell, at the generally accepted TOD.

And through in Maurice Lewis while playing pitch and toss and what is the conclusion then???

[Bridewell]

has anyone come up with a reason why Caroline Maxwell would lie about seeing Mary Kelly?

Or a convincing explanation as to why she would get such a momentous day confused with another?

To my mind she either mistook the identity of the woman she had seen or MJK was alive, but unwell, at the generally accepted TOD.

[RockySullivan]

has anyone come up with a reason why Caroline Maxwell would lie about seeing Mary Kelly?

[Robert St Devil]

I'm open-minded to the killer having spent extended time with all the victims except Kate; there are plenty of openings in the case for that. However, when he gets each victim to the murder site, he blitzes with a sudden overwhelming assault on the poor woman. The moment she closes her door, Blotchy has Mary at the same point that Jack had Annie when they entered that backyard. Its silly to suggest, but it would be like, uh, saying that Annie could have bought herself some time if she had only hummed a few bars. Jack didn't care about all those Hanbury residents, so why would he care about what Miller Court overheard? Since he obviously didn't rush her, I'm questioning if there was something familiar between Mary and Blotchy where she could get away with singing the hour.

[Wickerman]

Mr's Kennedy did not exist unless Lewis's shadow talked.

Thats what you prefer to believe.
Yet Lewis, also saw her out after 1:00. She watched this loiterer (Hutch?), while a couple walked up the court, the woman being hatless, and tipsy.
Then there's Hutchinson, followed by those residents at Millers Court.

You wouldn't believe she was out if she rose from the dead to tell you herself.
Hutch's story was confirmed by Sarah Lewis, with respect to the couple passing up the court - so she had to be out.

Funny that some believe Hutch came forward because he was seen with the victim. Then there's Blotchy, he was seen too, but he didn't come forward.
Odd that...

[RockySullivan]

Wouldn't hutch have been shown a photo of joseph isaacs or lineup to determine whether he was astrakhan man

[Fisherman]

Ok, Ill buy that. So now explain the choice of venue for the Nichols attack. He could have easily been seen from either end of that road, or by anyone on it.

And he was seen - by Robert Paul!

To explain his choice of venue, I would need to get into his head. And I haven´t been able to do so yet. So I´m left with guesswork only:

1. His urges outweighed his cautiosness.

2. He felt sure that he would either be able to leg it or bluff it out, come what may.

3. He had made a conscious decision to try and kill in as public a space as possible.

4. He was drunk.

5. He was pissed off by something Nichols did/said, and had not planned to kill her from the outset.

6. He suffered from delusions.

I´m sure that other alternatives can be offered, but these are a few ones that serve quite well as possible explanations.

[Abby Normal]

Huh? What books have you been reading? Stride was in public, seen by PC Smith, talking to someone at 12:35. Then she disappears...see Mortimer, Eagle, and Lave. She is not seen with 1 man for over an hour in anywhere but your own fantasy. Even the Israel Schwartz fictional farce has the man approaching her.

Ill leave you to your own Ripper legendarium ****tard

[Abby Normal]

No, Abby, that´s exactly what he is not. Not when he has been seen and can be described. At that stage, he is given an age, a size, a clothing, a demeanor, and he becomes somebody. He would only be an anonymous nobody if he was NOT seen.
There is always the risk that somebody will recognize the description, or even that the people who see him have a hunch who he is.

I would suggest that beeing seen by somebody is the perhaps most powerful factor in keeping the killer from killing.

couldn't disagree more. unless they know him, hes just an anon description.
its usually not going to deter a serial killer whos got the urge when hes already got the fish on the hook.
you really think a killer who will take the risk of murdering and eviscerating victims in the street is really going to be deterred by being seen by a stranger?? no way.


and I would add:
Long, pearly poll, PC smith, lawende (and company) Schwartz, marshall, best and gardner, hutch (if you believe him) cox, sarah lewis (if you believe hutch was the killer) etc. might have all seen the ripper. apparently none of them deterred him.

sorry Fish were just gonna have to disagree on this one. : (

[Michael W Richards]

No, Abby, that´s exactly what he is not. Not when he has been seen and can be described. At that stage, he is given an age, a size, a clothing, a demeanor, and he becomes somebody. He would only be an anonymous nobody if he was NOT seen.
There is always the risk that somebody will recognize the description, or even that the people who see him have a hunch who he is.

I would suggest that beeing seen by somebody is the perhaps most powerful factor in keeping the killer from killing.

Ok, Ill buy that. So now explain the choice of venue for the Nichols attack. He could have easily been seen from either end of that road, or by anyone on it.

[Michael W Richards]

yup. apparently, he spent at least an hour or so trying to schmooze stride into a compromising situation. see marshalls, Schwartz (possibly PCsmith) peaked cap man.

Huh? What books have you been reading? Stride was in public, seen by PC Smith, talking to someone at 12:35. Then she disappears...see Mortimer, Eagle, and Lave. She is not seen with 1 man for over an hour in anywhere but your own fantasy. Even the Israel Schwartz fictional farce has the man approaching her.