Mr Blotchy

[Craig H]

Here's how Joseph Taylor's description compares to other witness descriptions

Joseph Taylor & Mrs Fiddymont

About 5ft 8in high. One article said 30 – 40 years old, another said 40 – 50 years old. He had a shabby genteel look, pepper and salt trousers, which fitted badly and dark coat. Short sandy hair and a ginger-colored moustache, curling a little at the ends. He was neither stout nor thin. The man did not look in the least like a butcher.

Blotchy (Mary Ann Cox)
A short, stout man, shabbily dressed. A longish, dark coat, very shabby. A round hard billycock. He had a blotchy face, and full carrotty moustache. The chin was shaven.

Lawende
About 30 years old, 5 feet 7 or 8 inches tall, medium build, fair complexion and mustache. He wore a pepper-and-salt loose jacket, a gray cloth cap with a peak, and a reddish neckerchief tied in a knot. Lawende thought he looked like a sailor.

P.C Smith
5 feet 7 inches tall, clean shaven, aged around 28, wearing dark clothes and a dark hard felt deerstalker hat.

Ada Wilson
25 to 30 years of age, medium height (about 5ft. 5in.), sunburnt face, fair moustache, and wore light trousers, a dark coat, and a wideawake hat.

Craig

[Craig H]

No need for charts, you're already spot on -
The Star 8th Sept says;
"Taylor says he has seen this man coming out of a lodging-house in Thrall-street. He thinks that he is a foreigner"

Thanks Joshua. That's interesting. Previous geographic profiles suggested that area as a likely place where he lived.

Was there anything in the press about the specific lodging house where he was staying ? Or does anyone know which lodging houses were in Thrall Street ? Would records still exist about who was staying there on that night ?

Craig

[Sam Flynn]

The newspapers believed the police had arrested Jack the Ripper, and overheard Inspector Abberline saying to one of his officers, 'Keep this quiet, we have got the right man at last, this is a big thing'.

Which newspapers said as much, though? Certainly not all of them, and - as far as I recall - none of the mainstream ones.

[Fisherman]

To Dew Hutch was not there and Abberliine went for peaked cap man.How could they downgrade given the length of sighting?

To Dew, Hutch WAS there - the day before. Which is why Astrakhan man was downgraded but still of importance.

If you ask me. The fewest do.

[Joshua Rogan]

If you have a look at Lynn`s Isenschmidt threads, there are many photos of him (Jacob, not Lynne) and even physical descriptions such as height and weight.

Thanks Jon. Interestingly, Isenscmidt was described as "very powerfully built" when first admitted to an asylum in Sept 1887. By 1895 He was "slim", but by 1896 he had "put on flesh".

[Varqm]

It´s really not hard: Astrakhan man was not a prime suspect, but he was nevertheless sought for. All one needs to do is to work out what could have caused this order of things. He was initially believed to be the killer, and a red hot lead - and then he was downgraded, but NOT ruled uninteresting at all.
There´s only one way in which that jigsaw puzzle can be logically laid, as far as I understand. And Walter Dew said it more or less right out.

To Dew Hutch was not there and Abberliine went for peaked cap man.How could they downgrade given the length of sighting?

[Varqm]

Nah. Three police name him and he’s the only suspect with any kind of direct evidence... the possible positive ID. Age would be hard to determine, he could have looked older than his years.

Druit has nothing going for him but rumors of rumors.

Agree with Wickerman.

As I posted before:

Mcnaughten,Swanson, Anderson had all those years to write about the big evidence against kosminski and they return back to solitary vice, eating from the gutter,etc.,all of which are not crimes and has nothing to do with kosminski as a murderer.It's plain to see that they had nothing strong.
Pulling a knife on his sister is far away from being a murderer.

On Anderson's "he was positively idenified",it has to be known what was the basis,did the witness specifically saidI recognize him but would not identify him because he was a jew?
Was it a tell/hunch/interpretaion ,did the witnes's demeanor changed when looking at one suspect but would not identify him ,did the witness not
able to identify the suspect in the first place and was reluctant to identify the suspect,because even though he was somewhat similar,he cold not identify anybody in the first place.
Until then it can't be used against Kosminski,if he was indeed in the Seaside ID or anybody.

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It might be back then they,family then police, did not understand Kosminski's mental sickness and thought it a ground for murder.Then the family changed
their mind.

[RockySullivan]

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/rps.sims2.html

I want to say I saw it somewhere else too, will keep looking.

Thanks, do you know where i can read the full story of the coffee stallholder who says the man told him of the two murders? I also read the coffee stallholder wrote a "complete history of the case", is this true and is there any way to read it?

http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=236771&postcount=59

[Fisherman]

OK well so much for Isaacs. Now what about Aman? how come no one believes very soon after and up till this day that he isn't really a viable suspect?

Well, you know my answer ...

[Robert St Devil]

Mr. Devil, were can I read about this incident?

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/rps.sims2.html

I want to say I saw it somewhere else too, will keep looking.

[Abby Normal]

Astrakhan man was a prime suspect. from Joseph Isaacs page: Isaacs, born in 1858 was a 30 year old Polish Jewish cigar maker, who had resided at Mary Cusins lodging house in Little Paternoster Row, Spitalfields, for 3 or 4 days. Cusins became suspicious of Isaacs after he was heard pacing the floor of his room all night. Another lodger, Cornelius Oakes, stated that Isaacs often changed his clothing and was heard to threaten violence to all woman over the age of seventeen. When he suddenly vacated his room after the murder of Mary Kelly, Cusins became even more suspicious. She took her suspicions to the police, who searched his room and found he had left behind a violin bow. The police, assuming Isaacs would return for the bow, asked Cusins to keep a look out for him.

On 5 December 1888 Isaacs returned for the bow, whereupon Cusins followed him. Isaacs went to Julius Levenson's pawnshop, and after distracting Levenson, stole a watch worth 30 shillings, and ran away. Isaacs was arrested the next day in Drury Lane (co-incidentally on the same day as Ripper suspect, Aaron Cohen) and taken under strong escort to Leman Street police station.

The newspapers believed the police had arrested Jack the Ripper, and overheard Inspector Abberline saying to one of his officers, 'Keep this quiet, we have got the right man at last, this is a big thing'. Isaacs was interviewed by Abberline, and must have given a satisfactory account of himself, as he was subsequently only charged with the theft of the watch. Isaacs was described as short in stature, with a black moustache, wearing an Astrakhan trimmed coat and appeared to fit the suspect described by George Hutchinson. This would offer an explanation as to why the police paid such attention to Isaacs, and why they believed they had such a strong suspect.

OK well so much for Isaacs. Now what about Aman? how come no one believes very soon after and up till this day that he isn't really a viable suspect?

[RockySullivan]

Haha nice!

I noticed the man in the pic has a resemblance to George R. Sims, the journalist who the coffee stallholder claimed visited his stall "shortly after the double murder, and announced to the stallholder that he would hear of two more murders the following day". I wonder if the man believed to be Jack the Ripper had a striking resemblance to these men.

Mr. Devil, were can I read about this incident?

[RockySullivan]

TO me the most important thing is it was not against the law if caught lying as per post 1 on another thread Possible reason for Hutch coming forward -it does not matter what reason he told a lie.

The police did not know Hutchinson,don't you think they would have investigated him even if they initially believed him.

Hutch was supposed to be the main witness,his sighting lasted 15 min,the rest -Long,Lawende ,etc.- lasted maybe 10-30 seconds?
Do you think Astra man would not be a prime suspect if Hutch story was true?

Astrakhan man was a prime suspect. from Joseph Isaacs page: Isaacs, born in 1858 was a 30 year old Polish Jewish cigar maker, who had resided at Mary Cusins lodging house in Little Paternoster Row, Spitalfields, for 3 or 4 days. Cusins became suspicious of Isaacs after he was heard pacing the floor of his room all night. Another lodger, Cornelius Oakes, stated that Isaacs often changed his clothing and was heard to threaten violence to all woman over the age of seventeen. When he suddenly vacated his room after the murder of Mary Kelly, Cusins became even more suspicious. She took her suspicions to the police, who searched his room and found he had left behind a violin bow. The police, assuming Isaacs would return for the bow, asked Cusins to keep a look out for him.

On 5 December 1888 Isaacs returned for the bow, whereupon Cusins followed him. Isaacs went to Julius Levenson's pawnshop, and after distracting Levenson, stole a watch worth 30 shillings, and ran away. Isaacs was arrested the next day in Drury Lane (co-incidentally on the same day as Ripper suspect, Aaron Cohen) and taken under strong escort to Leman Street police station.

The newspapers believed the police had arrested Jack the Ripper, and overheard Inspector Abberline saying to one of his officers, 'Keep this quiet, we have got the right man at last, this is a big thing'. Isaacs was interviewed by Abberline, and must have given a satisfactory account of himself, as he was subsequently only charged with the theft of the watch. Isaacs was described as short in stature, with a black moustache, wearing an Astrakhan trimmed coat and appeared to fit the suspect described by George Hutchinson. This would offer an explanation as to why the police paid such attention to Isaacs, and why they believed they had such a strong suspect.

[Abby Normal]

Yes, he was a major suspect for Chapman.
I agree, I doubt he was left unattended.
Maybe handcuffed to his bed at night (which ties in with that sighting of a man dragging a bed frame down Wentworth Street on the night of the double event.)

LOL!!!!!

[Jon Guy]

one more: was Piggott actually a ripper suspect (or at least chapman suspect)at the time of his incarceration?
I believe he was-which of course would make it harder for him to leave, because if he was a murder suspect then, he was probably being guarded and/or kept somewhere he couldn't leave.

Yes, he was a major suspect for Chapman.
I agree, I doubt he was left unattended.
Maybe handcuffed to his bed at night (which ties in with that sighting of a man dragging a bed frame down Wentworth Street on the night of the double event.)