writing on the wall

[milchmanuk]

hence MJK other the top for recognition while indulging in his fantasy

Jack is cutting clothing and victims alike exploring his fantasy,
perhaps taking body parts home to further this morbid fascination in private,
perhaps he was in love with someone he could not have, even if it was on his shoulder.

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Helen

It is my belief that the Eddowes was not in possession of any apron wearing one or otherwise, and that she was simply in possession of 2 old pieces of apron which at some time in the past had been cut from a full apron, and that the killer did not deposit the apron piece and that the piece found in GS had been desposited it by Eddowes herself between her leaving the PS and her murder.

No one saw her after leaving the PS and she had the time and the opportunity to go back in the direction of her lodgings which were a stones throw away from GS which you would expect to be a natural course of conduct having spent many hours in a police cell. I therefore believe she had been using the apron as a sanitary device which had become soiled, the description of the apron piece fits with that scenario i.e blood spotting/blood smearing and feaecal matter found on one side only, and wet. and if I am correct she then could have gone under the archway to relive herself, found the apron piece was soiled and that she did not need to replace it and simply deposited the soiled apron piece.

However there are many on here who do not subscribe to this theory however it is for each individual to assess and evaluate the facts and form their own indvidual opinions.

There is no evidence to show the killer wrote the graffiti. It has no connection to any of the murders. This part of the mystery has more red herrings than Billingsgate Fish Market.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

We find another attendee for the party

[milchmanuk]

hence MJK other the top for recognition while indulging in his fantasy

[Parisi North Humber]

I would have thought that the medicos would have mentioned at some point if she was menstruating, perhaps it was and I've missed it, however Dr Brown did state that "no secretions of any kind were found on her thighs". If Catherine was bleeding at Goulston street she would have continued (even if only lightly) on the walk to Mitre Square and if she hadn't replaced her sanitary protection then menstrual blood would have been smeared on her inner thighs.
however you are correct Trevor that each must assess and evaluate the facts for themselves. I also think it's possible that she was carrying rather than wearing the apron, it is indeed a shame we do not know if she was wearing an apron or not when she left the police station.

Helen x

[milchmanuk]

Hi Helen

It is my belief that the Eddowes was not in possession of any apron wearing one or otherwise, and that she was simply in possession of 2 old pieces of apron which at some time in the past had been cut from a full apron, and that the killer did not deposit the apron piece and that the piece found in GS had been desposited it by Eddowes herself between her leaving the PS and her murder.

No one saw her after leaving the PS and she had the time and the opportunity to go back in the direction of her lodgings which were a stones throw away from GS which you would expect to be a natural course of conduct having spent many hours in a police cell. I therefore believe she had been using the apron as a sanitary device which had become soiled, the description of the apron piece fits with that scenario i.e blood spotting/blood smearing and feaecal matter found on one side only, and wet. and if I am correct she then could have gone under the archway to relive herself, found the apron piece was soiled and that she did not need to replace it and simply deposited the soiled apron piece.

However there are many on here who do not subscribe to this theory however it is for each individual to assess and evaluate the facts and form their own indvidual opinions.

There is no evidence to show the killer wrote the graffiti. It has no connection to any of the murders. This part of the mystery has more red herrings than Billingsgate Fish Market.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

hi i like your explanation of the apron.
mine thinking was more derogatory of Jacks nature .
also i was thinking with his mental illness he was not sure people recognized him as he wanted and felt he wanted to make himself public. he might or not been able to read newspapers.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trever, so are your saying that Catherine wasn't wearing her apron but was carrying a single bisected apron in her possesions that JTR took from her belongings used and then dumped?

Helen x

Hi Helen

It is my belief that the Eddowes was not in possession of any apron wearing one or otherwise, and that she was simply in possession of 2 old pieces of apron which at some time in the past had been cut from a full apron, and that the killer did not deposit the apron piece and that the piece found in GS had been desposited it by Eddowes herself between her leaving the PS and her murder.

No one saw her after leaving the PS and she had the time and the opportunity to go back in the direction of her lodgings which were a stones throw away from GS which you would expect to be a natural course of conduct having spent many hours in a police cell. I therefore believe she had been using the apron as a sanitary device which had become soiled, the description of the apron piece fits with that scenario i.e blood spotting/blood smearing and feaecal matter found on one side only, and wet. and if I am correct she then could have gone under the archway to relive herself, found the apron piece was soiled and that she did not need to replace it and simply deposited the soiled apron piece.

However there are many on here who do not subscribe to this theory however it is for each individual to assess and evaluate the facts and form their own indvidual opinions.

There is no evidence to show the killer wrote the graffiti. It has no connection to any of the murders. This part of the mystery has more red herrings than Billingsgate Fish Market.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[milchmanuk]

Photoshop, you mean?

obviously / but it does highlights the observations with the rag on the floor. also.the p.c. Long could not of missed it if he shined his bull lamp in there.

[milchmanuk]

Hi Trever, so are your saying that Catherine wasn't wearing her apron but was carrying a single bisected apron in her possesions that JTR took from her belongings used and then dumped?

Helen x

i think he is saying she dumped the apron on her evening walks.

[Parisi North Humber]

Hi Trever, so are your saying that Catherine wasn't wearing her apron but was carrying a single bisected apron in her possesions that JTR took from her belongings used and then dumped?

Helen x

[Trevor Marriott]

Thanks Aethelwulf. It challenges credulity that she would/could do such a thing. To my mind there are three major (and imho quite obvious) stumbleing blocks to the theory of Catherine destroying the apron herself.

Helen x

If she wasnt wearing an apron she could not have destroyed it, but she could have simply been in possession of two pieces of old apron which at some point in the past had come from an old apron

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Parisi North Humber]

yes, it was, from a former murder squad detective no less.

Thanks Aethelwulf. It challenges credulity that she would/could do such a thing. To my mind there are three major (and imho quite obvious) stumbleing blocks to the theory of Catherine destroying the apron herself.

Helen x

[DJA]

But it works the other way too Trevor.
Right next to the entry was an open pit, surrounded by iron railings.
The railings can be seen here.


We had the same in our first house. As you can see in the photo the lower window at ground level is bricked up, so was ours. But my point here is that the pit is something like 4-5 ft deep, and likely collects whatever rubbish blows around. The organs may have been down in that pit, we have no mention of the police searching it. At the time the police theory seems to have been that the rag was only used to wipe his hands, so no police bothered to look for spilled organs.

If, the killer was carrying the organs in the piece of apron, as I always believed, and threw the bundle at the doorway as he ran passed, they may have spilled out as the bundle hit the wall/archway and ended up down in that hole.
It was not planted, it wasn't intentional, the bundle was thrown away into the doorway, in desperation as he may have seen an officer coming up the street. The fact there was some graffiti close by was irrelevant.

That photo might be of the building " next door ", not where the GSG was found.

[spyglass]

was the railings there at the time of the find or are they new addition at a later date.

I'm sure they were I ha e seen a other 1800's photo that shows them also.
The more common B/W known photos are at least 20 years after the event.

[Wickerman]

this kinder makes it look like Jack done it !
what other conclusion could there be.

Photoshop, you mean?

[milchmanuk]

Goulston Street
if you x zoom in you can see the writing inside the entrance !
yes i really know?

this kinder makes it look like Jack done it !
what other conclusion could there be.