The masonic annulment of the marriage, triagonal perfection and the killer.

[Rex mundi]

The point is that you have no evidence of this being planned over months or years. You are making an assumption to fit your theory rather than following the evidence. No one would waste so much time and effort finding random women with names that fit an anagram. Especially one that no one would have worked out at the time. So there was no point in leaving a ‘message’ that no one would have understood. There were no ‘loose ends.’ Serial killers kill women and don’t get caught in the act or seen at the scene. Serial killers working in tandem are vanishingly rare. Surely you can see how this theory is stretched way beyond breaking point. An example that’s already been pointed out is - how can anyone mistake a policeman’s he;Met for a Deerstalker. It’s not unlikely it’s impossible. There’s not the slightest possibility of this being the case.

CC Zain is an astrologer. Therefore he’s a charlatan. So we can forget him.

I know nothing about Pike apart from his Wiki entry but I think that we may be talking about different things here. No one is denying that Jubela, Jubelo and jubelum were named in Freemasonic ritual but there’s no evidence of the actual word JUWES being mentioned. If you have direct evidence of this actual word being used then of course I’ll take it on board.

And again, anagrams aren’t evidence.

You seem quite dismissive of things you haven't really looked at.
You also seem quite sure that everything happened by chance. Lets discuss Eddowes for a minute. One minute she's in police custody and the next minute she's dead.
What are the odds of a woman being released from a jail cell then abducted and killed minutes later by the ripper? A few questions arise. Judging by witness statements, there was a large police presence in that location. Several officers walked in and around Mitre square on their beat, there were at least four policemen in that location that I know of in and around the time of the body discovery including an off duty officer. Who in their right mind would choose a place crawling with police?
The question then arises did she acually get released from police custody at all. No one spoke with Eddowes after her release at 1am.
It all boils down to whether you trust the police and the statements they made because they are the only people that surround her death. That's a fact.
Why did she tell the duty officer her name was Mary Kelly?
Did she know something was wrong and tried to lie herself out of it?
Let's just run an hypothetical by you. Lets just say the ripper had a police uniform for some reason. Lets just say Eddowes is released at 1am as per the police statement. How easy would it be for the killer to entice Eddowes into any situation he required of her? How easy would that be?
How much sense would that make for all the rest of them too? Someone you trust with your life who will take your life.
In the dark, a deer stalker could quite easily be mistaken for a bobby's helmet. You'd just get the dome shape.

[Elamarna]

Google earth, although not as accurate as GPS isn't too far away.

The pin point for Berner Street is clearly on the Eastern side of said street. It should be inside the school grounds on the Western side.

The pin point in Mitre Square also appears to be in the wrong place. You have it by the new high rise blocks, that's the wrong location.
If you don't use the correct locations then of course your distances will be incorrect.
I will assume these are genuine mistakes on your part.

I also used Google Earth, and the distance between the actual murder locations is 949-950 yards.






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[Rex mundi]

The arguments you have presented with regard to distances do not stand up to any serious, reasonable scrutiny.

The distances I have given are accurate and completely supported by all avaliable technology.

It's is important that those who read this thread are aware that the information you have supplied is deeply flawed and inaccurate.
That you are apparently not able to either provide sourced support for you claims or accept you are mistaken says much.

Google earth, although not as accurate as GPS isn't too far away.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It's is important that those who read this thread are aware that the information you have supplied is deeply flawed and inaccurate.

Believe me, we do Steve.

[Herlock Sholmes]

In response to the first remark about the names and NECKS, that is exactly what I'm saying. The whole thing from start to finish was planned over months possibly even years. You claim it was the work of a madman, unorganized, unplanned and totally random which is quite impossible from where I sit. This thing needed help, too many loose ends, no one seen murdering the women, most of the murders were done in silence.
In response to the second part about the Juwes. Not according to C.C Zain and Albert Pike. Solomon and his legend is very much revered in Masonic circles. The stories of Hiram Abiff for example are said to be the cornerstone of the entire masonic order.

The point is that you have no evidence of this being planned over months or years. You are making an assumption to fit your theory rather than following the evidence. No one would waste so much time and effort finding random women with names that fit an anagram. Especially one that no one would have worked out at the time. So there was no point in leaving a ‘message’ that no one would have understood. There were no ‘loose ends.’ Serial killers kill women and don’t get caught in the act or seen at the scene. Serial killers working in tandem are vanishingly rare. Surely you can see how this theory is stretched way beyond breaking point. An example that’s already been pointed out is - how can anyone mistake a policeman’s he;Met for a Deerstalker. It’s not unlikely it’s impossible. There’s not the slightest possibility of this being the case.

CC Zain is an astrologer. Therefore he’s a charlatan. So we can forget him.

I know nothing about Pike apart from his Wiki entry but I think that we may be talking about different things here. No one is denying that Jubela, Jubelo and jubelum were named in Freemasonic ritual but there’s no evidence of the actual word JUWES being mentioned. If you have direct evidence of this actual word being used then of course I’ll take it on board.

And again, anagrams aren’t evidence.

[Elamarna]

I presume no such thing. We just disagree that's all.
We'll agree to disagree, no point continuing to argue.

The arguments you have presented with regard to distances do not stand up to any serious, reasonable scrutiny.

The distances I have given are accurate and completely supported by all avaliable technology.

It's is important that those who read this thread are aware that the information you have supplied is deeply flawed and inaccurate.
That you are apparently not able to either provide sourced support for you claims or accept you are mistaken says much.

[Rex mundi]

Sadly for you, It is not 1000 yards as I have clearly demonstrated using both the OS map from the period and the current Maps and measuring methods used by Google.

I have quoted several sources, the National library of Scotland site, and Google maps and Earth. All agree on the distances quoted by myself.

Using Google maps, 999.7 yards from the murder location in Mitre Square ends up in Batty Street, that's not opinion that is fact my friend.
Simply denying that fact does not change it.

Let me assure you that the exact locations of the murder sites are well known to me.
I am also well aware of how to use map overlays and online measuring tools.

The presumption that I do not know how to use such or that I do not know the murder sites intimately is somewhat amusing.

Steve

I presume no such thing. We just disagree that's all.
We'll agree to disagree, no point continuing to argue.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Hi Rex,
Can I respectfully suggest that you get yourself a copy of Steve Blomer's excellent, and very in depth book "Inside Bucks Row".

The amount of detail in the book is astonishing, and it is an excellent book that should be on the bookshelf of anyone interested in this fascinating case.

If you PM Elemarna he can give you details re costs etc.

[Rex mundi]

One issue among many is that you seem to feel that there needs to be some complex motive for these murders. As if there has to be a plot. Jack the Ripper was simply a serial killer. A man who killed women because he wanted to; he had a compulsion to; he gained some form of satisfaction/pleasure from doing it. Look at every series of murders in history and see how many can be traced back to a plot involving an organization operating on behalf of the Royal Family. The answer will be none. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind of conspiracy or plot. Not even a hint.

Anagrams have been used numerous times in the past and they fall before they start because it’s simply impossible that a killer (or a group of killers) would go around looking for victims with names which fit an anagram. And why would they possibly feel compelled to find women whose names fit NECKS just because they were killed by strangulation/throat-cutting? What would that achieve? Why would anyone waste 100’s of hours trudging around Whitechapel to be able to make the victims names fit NECKS? It doesn’t even come close to making sense. No one would do that under any circumstances. That the first letter of their surnames make NECKS is a simple coincidence. Life is full of them. Millions occur around the world everyday. If you had instead suggested that the women’s FORENAMES were relevant you could have used the fact that ‘forenames’ is an anagram of FREEMASON. What are the chances? Or, if the conspirators, including Warren were killing prostitutes then an anagram of Warren could provide you with a convenient reason; to WARN RE (WARN ROYAL EDDIE)

Anagrams are evidence only that someone has taken the time to find them.

……

You said that ‘criminologists’ had confirmed those distances? Would you care to name them?

You mention Varden Street as being relevant but you’ve provided no evidence of a link between it and Freemasonry. (Just noticed that Al is asking the same thing….where’s the evidence?)

And JUWES is not a Freemasonic word. Numerous Freemasons, ex-Freemasons and those that have studied Freemasons in depth have been asked and none have ever found a single example of them ever using the word JUWES.

In response to the first remark about the names and NECKS, that is exactly what I'm saying. The whole thing from start to finish was planned over months possibly even years. You claim it was the work of a madman, unorganized, unplanned and totally random which is quite impossible from where I sit. This thing needed help, too many loose ends, no one seen murdering the women, most of the murders were done in silence.
In response to the second part about the Juwes. Not according to C.C Zain and Albert Pike. Solomon and his legend is very much revered in Masonic circles. The stories of Hiram Abiff for example are said to be the cornerstone of the entire masonic order.

[Elamarna]

From the location of the body in the south west corner of mitre square to the location of the body found in the entrance of Duffields yard, Berner street is exactly as I said it was. Just shy of 1000 yards.
It is important that you superimpose mitre square over a modern map because you'll be thrown by the modern buildings.
Take a walk down there when you have time. There is something written over the exact spot where she was found. Nothing to do with the case but you'll see it if you visit there.

Sadly for you, It is not 1000 yards as I have clearly demonstrated using both the OS map from the period and the current Maps and measuring methods used by Google.

I have quoted several sources, the National library of Scotland site, and Google maps and Earth. All agree on the distances quoted by myself.

Using Google maps, 999.7 yards from the murder location in Mitre Square ends up in Batty Street, that's not opinion that is fact my friend.
Simply denying that fact does not change it.

Let me assure you that the exact locations of the murder sites are well known to me.
I am also well aware of how to use map overlays and online measuring tools.

The presumption that I do not know how to use such or that I do not know the murder sites intimately is somewhat amusing.

Steve

[Rex mundi]

Playing with letters/names proves nothing as you can do anything with them.

You can also make the sentence

- I checked riddle, he’s Not a Mason.-

Out of all the canonical victims surnames.

Ok so you have the letters “lit wispy” left over but I could probably make them fit into a narrative if i was trying to push a point

That's true. You can indeed make any name from any anagram. But the only anagram I've used is NECKS which is the surnames of the victims.
The only other English word that can come from those letters is sneck. If you multiply the number of womens surnames in London by the number of actual victims by the probability of the word necks and the probability they all died of the same neck injuries then the figure is about 150 billion to one. It's either one of those crazy coinsidences or it means something. Given the nature of this case I suspect the latter.

[Rex mundi]

Sadly you responded to reasoned rebuttal of the distances you quoted by simply saying the figure used were incorrect, providing no checkable sources, unlike those I provided.

Those initial distance were obtained by using the measuring tool on the National library of Scotland site.

Further to that, both Google maps, and Google Earth's measuring tools also gave near identical figures.

One would expect having been given this information the proposer of the 1000 yards claim would at least have checked these distances themselves.



The distance claimed of 999.6 yards from The Bucks Row site to 29 Hanbury would actually place the murder roughly 75 yards west of 29 Hanbury St. That is to the West of Wilkes Street.

The distance of 999.7 between the Stride and Eddowes murders, either places the Eddowes murder at the northern end of Mitre St or the Stride Murder in Batty Street.

From the location of the body in the south west corner of mitre square to the location of the body found in the entrance of Duffields yard, Berner street is exactly as I said it was. Just shy of 1000 yards.
It is important that you superimpose mitre square over a modern map because you'll be thrown by the modern buildings.
Take a walk down there when you have time. There is something written over the exact spot where she was found. Nothing to do with the case but you'll see it if you visit there.

[Yabs]

Playing with letters/names proves nothing as you can do anything with them.

You can also make the sentence

- I checked riddle, he’s not a Mason.-

Out of all the canonical victims surnames.

Ok so you have the letters “lit wispy” left over but I could probably make them fit into a narrative if i was trying to push a point

[Herlock Sholmes]

One issue among many is that you seem to feel that there needs to be some complex motive for these murders. As if there has to be a plot. Jack the Ripper was simply a serial killer. A man who killed women because he wanted to; he had a compulsion to; he gained some form of satisfaction/pleasure from doing it. Look at every series of murders in history and see how many can be traced back to a plot involving an organization operating on behalf of the Royal Family. The answer will be none. There is absolutely no evidence of any kind of conspiracy or plot. Not even a hint.

Anagrams have been used numerous times in the past and they fall before they start because it’s simply impossible that a killer (or a group of killers) would go around looking for victims with names which fit an anagram. And why would they possibly feel compelled to find women whose names fit NECKS just because they were killed by strangulation/throat-cutting? What would that achieve? Why would anyone waste 100’s of hours trudging around Whitechapel to be able to make the victims names fit NECKS? It doesn’t even come close to making sense. No one would do that under any circumstances. That the first letter of their surnames make NECKS is a simple coincidence. Life is full of them. Millions occur around the world everyday. If you had instead suggested that the women’s FORENAMES were relevant you could have used the fact that ‘forenames’ is an anagram of FREEMASON. What are the chances? Or, if the conspirators, including Warren were killing prostitutes then an anagram of Warren could provide you with a convenient reason; to WARN RE (WARN ROYAL EDDIE)

Anagrams are evidence only that someone has taken the time to find them.

……

You said that ‘criminologists’ had confirmed those distances? Would you care to name them?

You mention Varden Street as being relevant but you’ve provided no evidence of a link between it and Freemasonry. (Just noticed that Al is asking the same thing….where’s the evidence?)

And JUWES is not a Freemasonic word. Numerous Freemasons, ex-Freemasons and those that have studied Freemasons in depth have been asked and none have ever found a single example of them ever using the word JUWES.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

33 Varden street preserved until this day along with nine ajoining houses circa 1812 to 1814. Now known as 33 Turner street due to the rebuilding of much of Whitechapel. The building was renovated in 2010 by the Spitalfields trust.
Built in 1814 and rented twelve months before the murders began, this was ground zero for the murders. One of only a few buildings to survive the war and kept intact by masonic influence until its renovation in 2010. Yes they used their influence to keep the decree alive.

Hi Rex,

Nice picture, where can one find out about this buildings history? I can't readily find anything about it.

Cheers.