The masonic annulment of the marriage, triagonal perfection and the killer.

[Elamarna]

All I have done is post two triangles, a new street name not heard before, at least not here and a few names such as Gull and Warren which you've all heard about before anyway in other theories. I also posted the Necks fact and the alphabet relationship between AEC and the five victims.
I've not insulted anyone even though I've had a fair bit of bashing myself.
It almost seems as if you agree with certain narratives then you're not welcome. The masonic narrative is nothing new, it's been written about extensively over the years. Is it so wrong to be a proponent of it?
It provides IMO the only plausible motive that I have come across.
It also provides answers which I have yet to find elsewhere.
Someone posted ealier that by the time of my 100th post I will have changed my mind about the masonic narrative. Well, I will welcome anyone to give me a motive, the opportunity and the evidence in the ripper murders to back up their claim. In return I will post what I see as counter evidence in relationship to that claim. I cannot be fairer than that.
If it just turns out to be a witch hunt because I am a proponent of the masonic narrative then there is nothing for me to do here.

Sadly you responded to reasoned rebuttal of the distances you quoted by simply saying the figure used were incorrect, providing no checkable sources, unlike those I provided.

Those initial distance were obtained by using the measuring tool on the National library of Scotland site.

Further to that, both Google maps, and Google Earth's measuring tools also gave near identical figures.

One would expect having been given this information the proposer of the 1000 yards claim would at least have checked these distances themselves.



The distance claimed of 999.6 yards from The Bucks Row site to 29 Hanbury would actually place the murder roughly 75 yards west of 29 Hanbury St. That is to the West of Wilkes Street.

The distance of 999.7 between the Stride and Eddowes murders, either places the Eddowes murder at the northern end of Mitre St or the Stride Murder in Batty Street.

[Rex mundi]

So we could start with the chain of custody of Cath Eddowes after she was arrested and allegedly released. Is there anything that happens to her that does not involve a policeman before she died?

[Rex mundi]

Dramatic bullshit like the above will not be tolerated on the forums. If you are into creative writing, write your BS on the Creative Writing board, and not on the main boards. Further posts with that kind of flourishing nonsense will be deleted and your account will be penalized.




Baiting bullshit like the above will not be tolerated, period. Implying that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your lunacy is just stupid will get you booted from the boards.

Stop the dramatics. We don't tolerate them here.


To the members: As always and as according to the rules - if you find a poster/theory too stupid to engage with in any reasonable fashion, ignore the poster. Do not break rules yourself to take them down a peg. We appreciate those who are willing to educate the more... outre with reason and calm rebuttal.

All I have done is post two triangles, a new street name not heard before, at least not here and a few names such as Gull and Warren which you've all heard about before anyway in other theories. I also posted the Necks fact and the alphabet relationship between AEC and the five victims.
I've not insulted anyone even though I've had a fair bit of bashing myself.
It almost seems as if you agree with certain narratives then you're not welcome. The masonic narrative is nothing new, it's been written about extensively over the years. Is it so wrong to be a proponent of it?
It provides IMO the only plausible motive that I have come across.
It also provides answers which I have yet to find elsewhere.
Someone posted ealier that by the time of my 100th post I will have changed my mind about the masonic narrative. Well, I will welcome anyone to give me a motive, the opportunity and the evidence in the ripper murders to back up their claim. In return I will post what I see as counter evidence in relationship to that claim. I cannot be fairer than that.
If it just turns out to be a witch hunt because I am a proponent of the masonic narrative then there is nothing for me to do here.

[jmenges]

It’s nice to see us ring out 2023 like a pair of sopping muddy socks.

[Elamarna]

Dramatic bullshit like the above will not be tolerated on the forums. If you are into creative writing, write your BS on the Creative Writing board, and not on the main boards. Further posts with that kind of flourishing nonsense will be deleted and your account will be penalized.




Baiting bullshit like the above will not be tolerated, period. Implying that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your lunacy is just stupid will get you booted from the boards.

Stop the dramatics. We don't tolerate them here.


To the members: As always and as according to the rules - if you find a poster/theory too stupid to engage with in any reasonable fashion, ignore the poster. Do not break rules yourself to take them down a peg. We appreciate those who are willing to educate the more... outre with reason and calm rebuttal.

thank you

[Admin]

I'm a day late, my apologies.
Today will be an whole new beginning - for everyone.
I'll start with a poem.

A new name will emerge from the darkness which you won't have heard before.

Dramatic bullshit like the above will not be tolerated on the forums. If you are into creative writing, write your BS on the Creative Writing board, and not on the main boards. Further posts with that kind of flourishing nonsense will be deleted and your account will be penalized.

So there is the name, are you smart enough?

Baiting bullshit like the above will not be tolerated, period. Implying that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your lunacy is just stupid will get you booted from the boards.

Stop the dramatics. We don't tolerate them here.


To the members: As always and as according to the rules - if you find a poster/theory too stupid to engage with in any reasonable fashion, ignore the poster. Do not break rules yourself to take them down a peg. We appreciate those who are willing to educate the more... outre with reason and calm rebuttal.

[Elamarna]

If we take the claimed distance from Dufields Yard of 999.7 yards we arrive the northern part of Mitre St, NOT Ripper Corner.

[Elamarna]

just to clear up this claim of 999.6 yrds from Browns Yard to 29 Hanbury Street, please see the sreenshot from Google Maps.

999.6 yards from Brown's Yard is to the west of Wilkes Street

[Herlock Sholmes]

If the ripper case isn't a conspiracy from start to finish then what is exactly?

It’s a case of a serial killer killing women. The stuff that you’re suggesting only happens in novels. Not in real life.

Those distances have been clarified more than once by several different criminologists.

Could you name them please?

The measurements have categorically been dismissed as nonsense by Steve.

If you don't know exact location of all the bodies and are just measuring address names you will make errors.

Do you think that people on a forum dedicated to the Whitechapel murders are somehow unaware of the exact location of the bodies?

. All victims surnames spell out the word NECKS, the chances of them all dying of neck injuries and that happening are 150 billion to one. Prove me wrong.

I’d ask where you got the 150 billion to one figure from. I’m no expert on statistics but I tend to think that you plucked that out of thin air. We do have an expert on statistics on here so I’d like to hear his opinion. I’m guessing that the odds would be massively less than the one that you quoted. Coincidences happen a million times every day all over the world. Some of them are genuinely jaw-dropping but the first letter of the victims making the word ‘necks’ isn’t on the same planet. And that anyone could actually believe that victims would be selected because of their names is beyond ludicrous.

Annie Elizabeth Crook has the same alphabetical name order A E C as the middle three ripper victims Annie Chapman, Elizabeth stride and Cath Eddowes. Prove me wrong.

Just as I don’t feel the need to ‘prove’ that the earth is flat I don’t see the need to prove you ‘wrong.’ You’ve simply alighted on something entirely random.

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How stupid to you think that the Duke of Clarence was? Do you think that he could possibly have believed that he could have married a commoner and then lived some kind of double life? It’s a fairy story.


You haven’t provided even a smidgeon of evidence for the relevance of Varden Street and its Freemasonic connections.


You haven’t explained how a multiple stroke victim committed those murders?


Finally, I’d ask if you were under the impression that this Freemasonic theory is somehow news? It’s been public knowledge for 50 years. It’s been researched, analysed and very thoroughly discredited and dismissed. Not one single reputable Ripperologist or criminologist gives the theory even the remotest credence. It’s pointless to rehash the same old disproven nonsense.

[Elamarna]

The distances in 1888 and now are the same. You can superimpose the 1888 map on top of a modern GPS map with no discrepancies.
The Victorians were extremely accurate map makers, to suggest they were otherwise is just wrong.
It doesn't matter if you use 1888 Victorian maps, OS maps or modern GPS, they are all the same.
The question arises do you know where the body was in Mitre square? And do you know how that configures into modern maps?
If you are using the centre of Mitre square you will make errors. If you don't know exact location of all the bodies and are just measuring address names you will make errors.

It is not I who is claiming the maps from 1888 are incorrect, I am using them to arrive at the distances quoted. It is you who are claiming those distances are incorrect

Do I know where the bodies were?

Given I am the author of "Inside Bucks Row"and am currently working on a book on the Mitre Square murder, that question is not serious.

The OS maps for the years quoted show the distances I have quoted, for both the distance by road 1023 yards and as the crow flies 925 yards approx between Brown's Yard and 29 Hanbury street.

A use of Google maps , using their measurement tool gives the distance from Brown's Yard to 29 Hanbury St as 847 m, that is approx 926 yards, ( I always allow for a yard or so when placing points)

It gives the distance from the corner of Mitre Square (termed Ripper corner) to the approximate position of the stride murder,(just inside the present day school yard) as 869 m that is 950 yards.

As a matter of interest,using Google Maps , measuring as the crow flies from Ripper Corner, 999.7 yards brings you to Western side of Batty Street. Not the western side of Berner.

Now I accept that different individuals using online measuring tools may differ by a yard or so , but not by 50 or 75 yards.

I suggest you measure these yourself rather than simply accepting what others have written in the past

You asked for evidence that the distance was not 1000 yards, such as been provided, that you do not wish to accept measurable distances over inaccurate claims is sad.

[Rex mundi]

No it is you who are mistaken, the distances are clearly measured on the OS maps quoted.

You ask for proof, such is provided by OS maps, and of course you dispute it.

GPS shows the OS maps to be outout by 50-75 yards! are you seriously suggesting that?
Simply stating others have verified the distance proves nothing without sources to back the claim.

I have verified the distances myself, by measuring it, have you?

As a correction, the distance by road should be 1023 yards, not 1123.

The distances in 1888 and now are the same. You can superimpose the 1888 map on top of a modern GPS map with no discrepancies.
The Victorians were extremely accurate map makers, to suggest they were otherwise is just wrong.
It doesn't matter if you use 1888 Victorian maps, OS maps or modern GPS, they are all the same.
The question arises do you know where the body was in Mitre square? And do you know how that configures into modern maps?
If you are using the centre of Mitre square you will make errors. If you don't know exact location of all the bodies and are just measuring address names you will make errors.

[Elamarna]

From Mitre square garden and the exact location of the body to Duffields yard exact location of body is 999.7 yards done by GPS in 1997.
From 29 Hanbury street and the exact location of the body to Bucks row exact location of the body is 999.6 yards done by GPS in 1997.
You are very much mistaken. Those distances have been clarified more than once by several different criminologists.

No it is you who are mistaken, the distances are clearly measured on the OS maps quoted.

You ask for proof, such is provided by OS maps, and of course you dispute it.

GPS shows the OS maps to be out by 50-75 yards! are you seriously suggesting that?
Simply stating others have verified the distance proves nothing without sources to back the claim.

I have verified the distances myself, by measuring it, have you?

As a correction, the distance by road should be 1023 yards, not 1123.

[Rex mundi]

It's the same member, giving different distances for different routes.

1123 Is the distance measured by walking the streets, the shortest walkable route.
The 925 is as the crow flies, that is drawing a straight line.

That is clearly mentioned in my posts.
Playing silly games archives nothing

You clearly stated the distance was 1000 yards and it is NOT.

From Mitre square garden and the exact location of the body to Duffields yard exact location of body is 999.7 yards done by GPS in 1997.
From 29 Hanbury street and the exact location of the body to Bucks row exact location of the body is 999.6 yards done by GPS in 1997.
You are very much mistaken. Those distances have been clarified more than once by several different criminologists.

[Elamarna]

Now we have a problem. One member says the distance is 925 yards and another member says it is 1123 yards. Which is it to be ladies and gents?

It's the same member, giving different distances for different routes.

1123 Is the distance measured by walking the streets, the shortest walkable route.
The 925 is as the crow flies, that is drawing a straight line.

That is clearly mentioned in my posts.
Playing silly games archives nothing

You clearly stated the distance was 1000 yards and it is NOT.

[Elamarna]

Here is a screen shot of the distance from Bucks Row to Hanbury

Image courtesy of the National library of Scotland