The masonic annulment of the marriage, triagonal perfection and the killer.

[erobitha]

33 Varden street preserved until this day along with nine ajoining houses circa 1812 to 1814. Now known as 33 Turner street due to the rebuilding of much of Whitechapel. The building was renovated in 2010 by the Spitalfields trust.
Built in 1814 and rented twelve months before the murders began, this was ground zero for the murders. One of only a few buildings to survive the war and kept intact by masonic influence until its renovation in 2010. Yes they used their influence to keep the decree alive.

The Archer family lived there in the 1881 and 1891 census. Also, 76 year-old widow Thomas Sleggs was living there in 1891.

Your "rented twelve months before the murders began" theory is not looking too great, either.

[JeffHamm]

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Now I accept that different individuals using online measuring tools may differ by a yard or so , but not by 50 or 75 yards.
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I did a quick measurement using the OS 25 inch map, and got 945 yards as the straight line distance between the Mitre Square and Berner Street body locations. Given the exact placement of the markers will vary between people (and even when the same person measures the same distances multiple times), I would suggest that the difference between my 945 and your approx 950 is simply measurement variation, so I can confirm I've replicated your measurement. It is definitely not 1000 yards between them.

- Jeff

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Unless..........someone is prepared to take a stab and ID both. Come on Herlock Sholmes, you stated in a previous post that there is a massive difference between the two and it's obvious. If its obvious then take a stab.
Abby Normal Merry xmas to you too and thankyou. p.s you don't fancy taking a stab at which of these two are either bobby's helmets or deer stalkers do you?
I can't get anyone to have a go.

Hi Rex,

Your silhouettes - No, absolutely no way can I tell which is which. It's literally impossible. Either could be a PC, a man in a deerstalker hat, an exceptionally tall jockey or a nun. So I totally agree, it's impossible to tell the difference between two black images on a black background.

However. If that level of blackness accurately depicts the street situation we can throw all witness testimony out the window for Berner St, Mitre Square and Dorset St. Leon Goldstein's shiny bag? Too dark to tell. Man with a package? Too dark to tell. A red flower? Might as well have been police badge, because in that light...

Salt and pepper jacket? Too dark to tell. Appearance of a sailor, an Astrakhan coat, blotchy faces, droopy eyes, shabby gentiles and foreign looking strangers, carroty moustaches and quart cans, all scrapped for shadows.

Yes, it was dark, darker than we're used to today. Yes, one style of hat could be mistaken for another, and yes, at a push a deerstalker could be mistaken for a PC's helmet but only in such painfully specific circumstances as to make any ID attempt meaningless. A PC is distinguished by more than the profile of his hat.

So what of all the witness statements that don't mention a deerstalker hat? They outnumber the ones that do. Do we ignore them because of very few mentions of a deerstalker, one of which changed in the press report (of course it did, those pesky Mason's got to the press!)?

What of Varden St? I genuinely don't know anything about those buildings, what is the Masonic connection?

[Lewis C]

Unless..........someone is prepared to take a stab and ID both. Come on Herlock Sholmes, you stated in a previous post that there is a massive difference between the two and it's obvious. If its obvious then take a stab.
Abby Normal Merry xmas to you too and thankyou. p.s you don't fancy taking a stab at which of these two are either bobby's helmets or deer stalkers do you?
I can't get anyone to have a go.

Hi Rex,

Would you say that it's easy to tell the difference between a person who has a moustache and one who doesn't? Now suppose I were to put up 2 silhouettes ask ask which has a moustache and which one doesn't?

Also, you say that the deer stalker hat keeps appearing in witness statements, but I only know of 2 such witnesses: Elizabeth Long and PC Smith. Are there any others?

[Enigma]

Good one Ms Diddles.

[Rex mundi]

Unless..........someone is prepared to take a stab and ID both. Come on Herlock Sholmes, you stated in a previous post that there is a massive difference between the two and it's obvious. If its obvious then take a stab.
Abby Normal Merry xmas to you too and thankyou. p.s you don't fancy taking a stab at which of these two are either bobby's helmets or deer stalkers do you?
I can't get anyone to have a go.

[Rex mundi]

I find it hard to swallow that the ripper would continually wear a deer stalker when it had been printed in the newspapers that he was doing so.
That would be an invitation to disaster for him personally and it's not in the interest of either serial killers or otherwise to do so.
The fact that witnesses continued to insist on a deer stalker even after the newspaper reports must put doubt in people's minds. If you were all coppers then you'd be asking the same questions and you'd soon be discounting deer stalker hats.
I have no alternative but to conclude these women were either led away by a bobby or someone pretending to be a bobby.
The Eddowes case is the smoking gun for me in that respect. She was in the custody of the police, never identified by anyone after leaving the station at 1am. The ID from the Imperial club witnesses is inconclusive IMO and there is no guarantee it was Eddowes.
So, the police had custody then she was dead, that's all there is in my locker and that is enough. No Victorian police force is ever going to point the finger at itself and incriminate itself in murder.
No one can truly tell the difference from a police helmet to a deer stalker at night in poorly lit situations, I think I've proved that today.

[Abby Normal]

Why would it be unrealistic given the conditions we know about?
The street lights in our street broke in October and were out for three weeks. During that time we only had the dim lighting from people's houses but it was a great time to experiment for myself.
I watched as people passed the windows of houses across the road and all I got was a silhouette of there body against the house lights, all detail was removed.
That got me thinking and I used my outside light along with four other people's outside light to dimly light my row. I'd say a little stronger than gas lamp power and diffused too. Got the same result, I still couldn't make out detail of passers by, just silhouette's like before.
It gave me a little insight into poorly lit streets and I'll be honest with you, it scared me and it scared my wife. We didn't like it and complained several times but it was an underground cable which was severed and it took them ages to locate it.
So, in the image you have what they had, if I give you more then I would be risking innacuracy with lighting. If you can't decide then neither could they.
That's the point.

your a hilarious. but welcome and merry christmas .

[Rex mundi]

You’re using 2 dimensional black clip art silhouettes placed on top of a nearly black void to represent how 3 dimensional living and moving human beings would definitely look like on a dark public street or alleyway in Whitechapel on the nights of the murders without any convincing evidence to support it, while ignoring existing evidence that completely contradicts that your strange phenomenon occurred.

JM

It is extremely difficult to portray a three dimensional silhouette against a poorly lit street.
If you look at the image below it would resemble something like that. Imagine someone walking along in front of the house and trying to make detail. The gas lamps were poor, they had to be cleaned on a regular basis because of the sulphur dioxide from the stacks, it dirtied the glass quickly with the soot.
So the light was heavily diffused from them, very dim and worse than candle power. The wicked lamps were much the same.

[Ms Diddles]

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I think you may be dismissing this prematurely, Herlock!

Think about those two apparently extraneous "A"s combined with that address.

AA + Varden Street=

A.A.R.D.V.A....

Now, my theory would appear to fall down at this point, however one has to remember that aardvarks (particularly psychotic masonic ones) are notoriously poor at spelling.

They have extremely short attention spans and lose interest quickly.

[jmenges]

You’re using 2 dimensional black clip art silhouettes placed on top of a nearly black void to represent how 3 dimensional living and moving human beings would definitely look like on a dark public street or alleyway in Whitechapel on the nights of the murders without any convincing evidence to support it, while ignoring existing evidence that completely contradicts that your strange phenomenon occurred.

JM

[Rex mundi]

Rex’s little silhouette test is laughably unrealistic. No surprise given the entire theory is based on complete nonsense.

JM

Why would it be unrealistic given the conditions we know about?
The street lights in our street broke in October and were out for three weeks. During that time we only had the dim lighting from people's houses but it was a great time to experiment for myself.
I watched as people passed the windows of houses across the road and all I got was a silhouette of there body against the house lights, all detail was removed.
That got me thinking and I used my outside light along with four other people's outside light to dimly light my row. I'd say a little stronger than gas lamp power and diffused too. Got the same result, I still couldn't make out detail of passers by, just silhouette's like before.
It gave me a little insight into poorly lit streets and I'll be honest with you, it scared me and it scared my wife. We didn't like it and complained several times but it was an underground cable which was severed and it took them ages to locate it.
So, in the image you have what they had, if I give you more then I would be risking innacuracy with lighting. If you can't decide then neither could they.
That's the point.

[Elamarna]

Of course the City Police helmets were different in design to the helmets worn by the metropolitan police

[jmenges]

Rex’s little silhouette test is laughably unrealistic. No surprise given the entire theory is based on complete nonsense.

JM

[Rex mundi]

So picture the scene, its the early hours in Whitechapel. There is drizzle in the air, a little smog about and the street lighting isn't up to much. You see a man and woman over the road and think nothing of it. You can hear them talking but not quite hear what they are saying. You see the man has a dome shaped hat in the silhouette of the night.
You go home and go to bed.
The next day you hear of the murder and police are taking statements. When the police ask you if you saw anything you remember a dome shaped hat on the man over the road and the policeman asks you what kind of hat?
What are you going to say? Dare you say police helmet? Dare you? I wouldn't, it's too suggestive especially in the light you are stood in front of a bobby. So you'd say the obvious thing - shaped like a deer stalker. Or the officer may even suggest it for you.
No way in a million years you say bobby's helmet shaped. You'd get a kicking back then.
And that is why none of you can answer the question about the image. You can't because you don't know. You only know that both hats could be either a bobby's helmet or a deer stalker, that is all you will ever know.
But just for the record, someone take a shot at it will you?