Geoprofile of Jack the Ripper reveals Tabram and Nichols connection.

[MrBarnett]

The frenzy explanation doesn't work. He switches weapons during the attack after stripping her down in part. That's like claiming someone in a frenzy changed guns. That's not a frenzy. They know damn well what they are doing. Hence the stab to her vagina. That's deliberate. We also don't know how severe it was because the detail was held back but Swanson suggests he was stabbed in the vagina.

If the cut to her lower part was deliberate - significant - then presumably the others were. A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.

[Batman]

If the cut to her lower part was deliberate - significant - then presumably the others were. A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.

More likely is that his larger blade got stuck in her sternum, so he took the time to pull it out and then switched to a different blade.

[MrBarnett]

But Nichols only had the one stab too ?
About the same amount of attention to the sexual organs with both Nichols and Tabram.

The lack of attention to their sexual organs is indeed a problem for someone claiming that what conclusively links them is that they were both clearly 'lust murders'.

[Jon Guy]

A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.

I would think the killer`s main concern is the victim calling out during the attack.
He has learned that it`s safer for him to cut the throat rather than stab the body 39 times.

[MrBarnett]

More likely is that his larger blade got stuck in her sternum, so he took the time to pull it out and then switched to a different blade.

If so, then his first thought was above waist. Below it seems to have been an afterthought. A very odd lust murderer.

[Batman]

If so, then his first thought was above waist. Below it seems to have been an afterthought. A very odd lust murderer.

What's odd about the learning and escalation of lust murderers whose initially sexual homicides may not resemble later ones given 50% experiment with MO and signature?

Nothing is odd in that respect beyond they type of crime that it is. Rare in other words. Not odd.

[Jon Guy]

The lack of attention to their sexual organs is indeed a problem for someone claiming that what conclusively links them is that they were both clearly 'lust murders'.

But there is no lack of attention to their sexual organs, Gary.

You can`t kill someone quickly and quietly by stabbing their sexual organs multiple times.

[MrBarnett]

But there is no lack of attention to their sexual organs, Gary.

You can`t kill someone quickly and quietly by stabbing their sexual organs multiple times.

Correct. So you cover Tabram's upper body with 37 stabs ranging across her upper body/neck, then finish (or previously having finished) her off with a more efficient weapon and only then get down to what you're really all about and make a small cut to her lower part/private part. (I don't think the word vagina is ever used, is it?) 38:1 is a lack of attention in my book.

[Jon Guy]

Correct. So you cover Tabram's upper body with 37 stabs ranging across her upper body/neck,

Not forgetting the stomach.. and the stomach, which was perfectly healthy, was penetrated in six places

then finish (or previously having finished) her off with a more efficient weapon and only then get down to what you're really all about and make a small cut to her lower part/private part. (I don't think the word vagina is ever used, is it?) 38:1 is a lack of attention in my book.

Do we know when the stab to her lower part occurred ?
Like the William Grant attack on Alice Graham, the lower wound may have been the first would inflicted. (Alice Grahams`s internal injury was reported in the press as an abdomen wound, until the Thames Police Court hearing when we find out it was an internal stab.

[MrBarnett]

Not forgetting the stomach.. and the stomach, which was perfectly healthy, was penetrated in six places


Indeed. And we don't know whether her lower clothing was lifted to gain access to her stomach.



Do we know when the stab to her lower part occurred ?
Like the William Grant attack on Alice Graham, the lower wound may have been the first would inflicted. (Alice Grahams`s internal injury was reported in the press as an abdomen wound, until the Thames Police Court hearing when we find out it was an internal stab.

No we don't. But the killer was obviously 6 times less interested in her lower part than he was her stomach. Perhaps the stomach counts as a middle sexual organ?

[Sam Flynn]

Not forgetting the stomach.. and the stomach, which was perfectly healthy, was penetrated in six places

That's still very much in the upper half of the body, well away from the private parts.

[Batman]

I'll ask this again...

How many cuts did Eddowes have on the lower part of her body compared to the upper part of her body?

[Herlock Sholmes]

The less complex explanation is one person, not many people. So even parsimony works and it can still explain all the evidence. Basically, there are no barriers preventing the one hand for being responsible for them all. What there appears to be is some doubtful accounts of who they were attacked by.

1. Chronology fits in escalation model.
2. Time fits.
3. Location fits.
4. Victimology fits.
5. Absense of similar crimes even elsewhere in Whitechapel except for the Whitechapel murders.
6. Smith and Tabram's offenders not caught.
7. Smith and Tabram's offenders don't offend again.
8. All involve attacks on their vaginas.
9. Some investigators linked them to JtR and some of those were investigators of Smith's homicide.

I am sure there are more points but what this seems like is JtR at the start learning how to carry out his crimes. Diving straight into Nichols isn't something we even see by comparisons to modern day rippers. They usually have crimes going on before that which sometimes often don't strongly resemble the later crimes as they evolve MO and signature (50% of SKs experiment with these).

If 6 is true then 7 can’t possibly be known.

[Sam Flynn]

I'll ask this again...

How many cuts did Eddowes have on the lower part of her body compared to the upper part of her body?

Was Tabram stabbed in the face? (Not that Eddowes was stabbed in the face, mind you.)

[Jon Guy]

No we don't. But the killer was obviously 6 times less interested in her lower part than he was her stomach.

And about the same for Nichols killer.
Which is why some are connecting the two murders