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  • Lipsky
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    The term "canonical", such as it is, is a shorthand for "one of the Macnaghten Five". Rightly or wrongly, the first "canonical" will always be Polly Nichols.
    Dear Sam: My somewhat wordplaying comment was meant to point out that the first fully fledged killing, complete as to the fulfillment of the purpose (terrorism of broader spectators and the other, soon-to-come chosen victims in particular) and at the same time the motive of the killer, which included serving the purpose but went a bit further, (though not in some "self-gratification" aspect as suggested for the most part), is not Polly but Martha.

    The date of Martha's murder also had a significance.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Lipsky View Post
    Tabram was indeed a victim of the same physical entity "JtR".
    The first canonical? The first seen-all-the-way-through trademark , for sure.
    The term "canonical", such as it is, is a shorthand for "one of the Macnaghten Five". Rightly or wrongly, the first "canonical" will always be Polly Nichols.

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  • Lipsky
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    Tabram was indeed a victim of the same physical entity "JtR".
    The first canonical? The first seen-all-the-way-through trademark , for sure.
    I would include all previous attacks recorded earlier that year as well.
    Crossingham's had a few skeletons up their closet. Literally.
    And right where MJK's loiterer stood .... yet another "coincidence"
    Focusing on the strategic scattering of the buildings and the interactions between pinpointed attack women resided therein would have saved a lot of sanity in Abberline
    (in his place, I would have become a raging alcoholic, I admit)

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    HI HS
    oh yes I remember it well-his diagrams inspired me back then to post my own diagram. lol. I agree a lot with fish but not on this point-and posted it as a bit of fun-I think fish got a little chuckle out of it too.

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    Hi Abby,

    its a work of genius.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Fish did some diagrams to try and show how Richardson could have missed the corpse (Iím sure that you remember Abby, Sam was in the discussion too) but I just find it close to impossible to believe. You have to have Richardson acting pretty weirdly and sitting in an unlikely position and not looking in certain directions. That particular debate was a chore. Fish was adamant though. And wrong.
    HI HS
    oh yes I remember it well-his diagrams inspired me back then to post my own diagram. lol. I agree a lot with fish but not on this point-and posted it as a bit of fun-I think fish got a little chuckle out of it too.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by APerno View Post

    I agree with all that the body was likely not there . . . but if we state that there was enough light to "cut some leather from his boot" then we need to rethink just how dark it was when the Ripper cut open Annie.

    There seems to be a contradiction regarding light. We say: 'light enough to see the body' but then we say, 'he must have had some anatomic knowledge to remove the uterus in complete darkness.'

    So which is it? The light seems to be relative to the argument being made.

    (Ouch! Sorry, that one slipped out.)
    hi AP
    it was never complete darkness at any of the ripper murder scenes.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    agreed sam, if he could see well enough to see the basement door and cut some leather from his boot-which also he sat on the step and was also looking down at his foot-he would have seen the body-no question IMHO.
    Fish did some diagrams to try and show how Richardson could have missed the corpse (Iím sure that you remember Abby, Sam was in the discussion too) but I just find it close to impossible to believe. You have to have Richardson acting pretty weirdly and sitting in an unlikely position and not looking in certain directions. That particular debate was a chore. Fish was adamant though. And wrong.

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  • APerno
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    agreed sam, if he could see well enough to see the basement door and cut some leather from his boot-which also he sat on the step and was also looking down at his foot-he would have seen the body-no question IMHO.
    I agree with all that the body was likely not there . . . but if we state that there was enough light to "cut some leather from his boot" then we need to rethink just how dark it was when the Ripper cut open Annie.

    There seems to be a contradiction regarding light. We say: 'light enough to see the body' but then we say, 'he must have had some anatomic knowledge to remove the uterus in complete darkness.'

    So which is it? The light seems to be relative to the argument being made.

    (Ouch! Sorry, that one slipped out.)

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  • Sleuth1888
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    hi sleuth
    the body wasn't there-he would have seen it.either that or he was the killer and lied.
    Hi I tend to agree that the body wasn't there yet and Chapman was killed later, 5.30am or after.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    A few people argue that, but I'm not one of them. To my mind, there's no way he could have missed the body.
    agreed sam, if he could see well enough to see the basement door and cut some leather from his boot-which also he sat on the step and was also looking down at his foot-he would have seen the body-no question IMHO.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Sleuth1888 View Post
    Well if the body wasn't there then of course he wouldn't see it.
    hi sleuth
    the body wasn't there-he would have seen it.either that or he was the killer and lied.

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  • Sleuth1888
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    Well if the body wasn't there then of course he wouldn't see it.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by APerno View Post
    Can John Richardson sit on the stoop's top step and miss Annie's body laying (behind the backyard door) to his left.
    A few people argue that, but I'm not one of them. To my mind, there's no way he could have missed the body.

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  • APerno
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    Doesn't a 5:30 killing put Dark Annie on the streets alone for over three hours; I wonder what she was doing; where she walked? Evans (Donovan) escorted Annie out of the lodging house around 2 AM, where did she go?

    She had to be circling, Whitechapel isn't that large; how may times did she cross paths with the Ripper before he chose her?

    At any point did she crawl off into an ally and catch some zzzs?

    It is hard to figure, she was up all night, ending her already long day with a three and a half hour walk, and then come pre-dawn she still has the energy to score a trick.

    Can John Richardson sit on the stoop's top step and miss Annie's body laying (behind the backyard door) to his left. If he could, then Annie could have been murdered any time after 2:30 AM.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    At 5:30 the sun was beginning to rise...it would have been light out.
    Here's a view of the eastern horizon from London - with a generic, rural background image I hasten to add! - at 5:30 on that morning, using the astronomical software "Stellarium"

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