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  • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    Living in Spitalfields would have given him inside information on City of London police beats and plain clothes activity? Or the beats in Mile End and St George’s?

    How?

    Are you telling us that when the ripper exited the scene at Hanbury Street his detailed knowledge meant he could be certain that no one was loitering in the passageway, no market workers would be walking along Hanbury Street, and no PC’s were patrolling it or using it to get to/from their beats?
    Both a Marauder and Commuter have the same problems here, correct?

    If you hypothesize a set of twins separated at birth, one who grew up in a 9km^2 area and the other who visits from afar, who would you put money on who has a better chance of dealing with the problems you presented?
    Bona fide canonical and then some.

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    • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
      Where does that come from?
      Rob Hills research on James Hardiman.
      Bona fide canonical and then some.

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      • Originally posted by Batman View Post
        Both a Marauder and Commuter have the same problems here, correct?

        If you hypothesize a set of twins separated at birth, one who grew up in a 9km^2 area and the other who visits from afar, who would you put money on who has a better chance of dealing with the problems you presented?
        There’s not much in it. It was all down to sharp eyes/ears and luck.

        I hate to keep playing the Lechmere card, but I reckon he’d have had a far better idea of knowing whether he’d be likely to bump into a copper in Buck’s Row at 3.40 in the morning than James Hardiman.

        Do you agree?

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        • Originally posted by Batman View Post
          Rob Hills research on James Hardiman.
          Wrong Hardiman, I would suggest.

          That was the Bermondsey man who was in Wandsworth Prison.

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          • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
            There’s not much in it. It was all down to sharp eyes/ears and luck.

            I hate to keep playing the Lechmere card, but I reckon he’d have had a far better idea of knowing whether he’d be likely to bump into a copper in Buck’s Row at 3.40 in the morning than James Hardiman.

            Do you agree?
            Disagree because Lechmere as a suspect is sheer nonsense as well demonstrated elsewhere. Hardiman may have had good reason to go to a horse slaughter yard given that his job was selling horsemeat. I am not going to discuss Lechmere here as that is done to pieces elsewhere.

            If you think it's the wrong Hardiman that's up to you, but given how much they match up I go with Rob Hill who did the work.
            Last edited by Batman; 11-23-2018, 04:26 AM.
            Bona fide canonical and then some.

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            • Originally posted by Batman View Post
              Disagree because Lechmere as a suspect is sheer nonsense as well demonstrated elsewhere. Hardiman may have had good reason to go to a horse slaughter yard given that his job was selling horsemeat. I am not going to discuss Lechmere here as that is done to pieces elsewhere.

              If you think it's the wrong Hardiman that's up to you, but given how much they match up I go with Rob Hill who did the work.
              3.40 was a couple of hours too early for the cats meat queue.

              Only the name and possibly the occupation match up.

              Our JH appears on the 1881 census in Hanbury Street. The prisoner on the 1881 census for Wandsworth prison was James Alfred Hardiman of Bermondsey who was imprisoned for theft and embezzlement at Southwark police court. There was a family of Hardimans in Bermondsey, including an Alfred James who was a salesman.

              For our JH to have been the prisoner, he would have had to have been entered on the 1881 census twice; have been recorded with slightly the wrong age; have used a middle name that he revealed on just that one occasion; have given a wrong place of birth; have been operating on the other side of the river*; and, as a lowly cats meat man, had the opportunity to embezzle funds.

              Even Rob Hills had his doubts.

              *How does that sit with your geoprofile?
              Last edited by MrBarnett; 11-23-2018, 05:02 AM.

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              • Why would Hardiman have hated where he lived or what he did for living?

                He was an Eastender born and bred. He knew nothing else. And the cats meat trade was a very lucrative one, which he had followed since he was a child. Cats meat routes changed hands for large sums of money in those days.

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                • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                  Why would Hardiman have hated where he lived or what he did for living?

                  He was an Eastender born and bred. He knew nothing else. And the cats meat trade was a very lucrative one, which he had followed since he was a child. Cats meat routes changed hands for large sums of money in those days.
                  Just look at his life with death all around him and the involvement of syphilis in destroying his daughter and his wife.
                  Bona fide canonical and then some.

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                  • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                    Just look at his life with death all around him and the involvement of syphilis in destroying his daughter and his wife.
                    What do you mean by 'death all around him'?

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                    • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                      What do you mean by 'death all around him'?
                      Immediate family members dying. His mum's connection to Chapman's death up the road.
                      Bona fide canonical and then some.

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                      • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                        He would be more the Aldgate area no?

                        James Hardiman is in the hot zone.
                        Do you really think he would murder someone in his mothers back yard?
                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


                        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                        -Frederick G. Abberline

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                        • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                          Immediate family members dying. His mum's connection to Chapman's death up the road.
                          Er, he's the Ripper, he's already killed Smith, Tabram and Nichols, and the fact that Chapman is killed in his mother's backyard (presumably by him?) motivates him to kill the subsequent victims?

                          Family members dying? Hardly unusual.

                          The Tomkins brothers had 4/5 family deaths during the period of the WM - in the 3/4 years they spent in Whitechapel - and they had a connection to one of the murders. During the weekend of the double event Thomas Tomkins's baby son lay dying in the Whitechapel hospital. The poor little mite hadn't quite reached his first birthday. He had been christened in Manchester on 9/11/1887, shortly before the family moved to Whitechapel and their woes began.
                          Last edited by MrBarnett; 11-23-2018, 06:38 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                            Do you really think he would murder someone in his mothers back yard?
                            His own back yard, really, Abbey. He was living there in 1881 and 1891.

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                            • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                              The chances of JtR being unfamiliar with Whitechapel is low. We are looking for someone with very good knowledge of the streets. To the point that they can avoid encounters with PCs. JtR even seems to have avoided stakeouts, plainclothes and picking up bait. To this extent commuting, if occurring, would have to be from somewhere nearby and would have to have been often enough for the commuter to go around Whitechapel many times to learn the streets and become streetwise.

                              This is more complex than the less complex answer that JtR knew the streets because he lived in Whitechapel and most importantly of all... understood Whitechapel.

                              Furthermore, when we look at these types of serial offenders they tend to be offending against the very community they are a part of. The Whitechapel murders are not just murders of unfortunate women, they are also an attack on the Whitechapel society. A hatred for it as much as he hates unfortunate women. This seems most evident in the 'Open and Displayed' posing that he left many of his victims in. There was a shock value he anticipated in those who found the bodies including those who would have to deal with them professionally.

                              As Shaw corrected said "Now all is changed. Private enterprise has succeeded where Socialism failed. Whilst we conventional Social Democrats were wasting our time on education, agitation, and organisation, some independent genius has taken the matter in hand, and by simply murdering and disembowelling four women, converted the proprietary press to an inept sort of communism."

                              JtR murdered the people around him because he hates where he lives and he hates what he does there to survive. He blames the place for what it has done to him and his blame is focused on prostitutes whom he wishes to completely obliterate of their female persona. In them, he sees the worst that Whitechapel has brought out of humanity there.

                              That's why it is more than likely we are searching for someone who lived there, knew the place extremely well and hated every inch of it.
                              You may be into something here in terms of the killers displaying/dumping pattern, especially if you lean towrd the torsoman and the ripper being the same man as i do. Theres something going on here deepseated in the location and way the torsoripper left the bodies/parts.
                              "Is all that we see or seem
                              but a dream within a dream?"

                              -Edgar Allan Poe


                              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                              -Frederick G. Abberline

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                              • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                                Er, he's the Ripper, he's killed Tabram and Nichols, and the fact that Chapman is killed in his mother's backyard (presumably by him?) motivates him to kill the subsequent victims?

                                Family members dying? Hardly unusual.

                                The Tomkins brothers had 4/5 family deaths during the period of the WM - in the 3/4 years they spent in Whitechapel and a connection to one of the murders. During the weekend of the double event Thomas Tomkins baby son lay dying in the Whitechapel hospital. The poor little mite hadn't quite reached his first birthday. He had been christened in Manchester on 9/11/1887, shortly before the family moved to Whitechapel and their woes began.
                                That's fine. If the bar you set for triggers for JtR is higher than a daughter and wife dying from syphilis, then it's the bar you set for other potential candidates in your list also.
                                Bona fide canonical and then some.

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