Abberline solved the GSG

[Wickerman]

So if this is the case an important witness. In the eyes of the police a very important witness.

Yes, the police appear to have more faith in Lawende than he had in himself.

However, all parties; the witness (Lawende), the City (McWiliam) and the Met. (Swanson) appear to agree on one thing, that the dead woman was only tentatively recognised by her clothes, and the man could not be recognised again, then the detailed description of this man, which incidentally evolved over time, may not be as sound as everyone thought.

[Observer]

This sequestering of Lawende was reported on the 9th, he was not due to give testimony at the inquest until the 11th. So possibly, since the police located him soon after the murder until he gave his testimony they had him under watch at a location unspecified.
How can we determine anything more than that?

So if this is the case an important witness. In the eyes of the police a very important witness. And yet you consider it a possibility that Lawende did not in fact see Eddowes that night. Have you ran a litmus test over that one? I havn't, my money's on the police. What makes you think it might not have been Eddowes that Lawende, Harris, and Levy saw that night?

[Wickerman]

Typo eh? I doubt it. You miss my point yet again though. The words used were "back of the man" . Again, some poster's have in the past used this report to shamefully suggest that Abberline was in fact correct when he stated that only a rear view was obtained of the murderer. I have forwarded them some litmus paper.

I have read your point, about how this line has been used by some. They were wrong, plain and simple.

Ok, would you care to elaborate? Why would they wish to hide him? You are saying that a twenty four hour watch was made upon him? Presumably he slept at a police station, a safe hous. Which do you suggest?

This sequestering of Lawende was reported on the 9th, he was not due to give testimony at the inquest until the 11th. So possibly, since the police located him soon after the murder until he gave his testimony they had him under watch at a location unspecified.
How can we determine anything more than that?

[Observer]

The difference is the "wo" was missed in the type set, thats all.

The alternative is what, to label the witness or the reporter as liars?
Just a simple type-set error.

"Mr. Henry Harris, of the two gentlemen our representative interviewed, is the more communicative. He is of opinion that neither Mr. Levander nor Mr. Levy saw anything more than he did, and that was only the back of the woman. Mr. Joseph Levy is absolutely obstinate and refuses to give us the slightest information."

The context does not change, the statement remains perfectly true.

Typo eh? I doubt it. You miss my point yet again though. The words used were "back of the man" . Again, some poster's have in the past used this report to shamefully suggest that Abberline was in fact correct when he stated that only a rear view was obtained of the murderer. I have forwarded them some litmus paper.

It means to isolate, to avoid outside interference, to hide away, etc. Thats what they do with a jury, no different to what was done to Lawende, apparently.

Ok, would you care to elaborate? Why would they wish to hide him? You are saying that a twenty four hour watch was made upon him? Presumably he slept at a police station, a safe hous. Which do you suggest?

Regards

Observer

[lynn cates]

Beauty is truth.

Hello David. Thanks.

"Obviously no ancient Greek pottery has ever reached the shores of America."

Someday it will. And that will be when "Old age shall this generation waste."

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

I must admit I'd always looked on this particular sequestration in the meaning/context quoted by Observer. Even sequestered juries still appear in court...so they're not really hidden away.

The point is to do with avoiding interference not avoiding their duty to participate in a public trial.

Schwartz on the other hand, seems to disappear...Sorry Jon, but it still seems to me that Schwartz has more to offer an attempted ID than Lawende, and as such, might well get the Met's star treatment...even if it subsequently turned out they were mistaken.

Oh certainly I don't doubt Schwartz saw more than Lawende had, but again, that still does not mean he witnessed a murder. If you could establish what the star treatment by the Met. consisted of, that would help.
By that I mean, lets not invent a scenario that never happened and then call it "The Met's star treatment". An example from another case would help your view immensely.

[Wickerman]

He said "man" the back of the man.

The difference is the "wo" was missed in the type set, thats all.

The alternative is what, to label the witness or the reporter as liars?
Just a simple type-set error.

"Mr. Henry Harris, of the two gentlemen our representative interviewed, is the more communicative. He is of opinion that neither Mr. Levander nor Mr. Levy saw anything more than he did, and that was only the back of the woman. Mr. Joseph Levy is absolutely obstinate and refuses to give us the slightest information."

The context does not change, the statement remains perfectly true.

I thought sequestration meant to take away. That is they took Lawende away from his work in order to look for Sailor Man. I can think of no reason why the police would want to hide him. Can you? Where would they hide him? And for how long?

It means to isolate, to avoid outside interference, to hide away, etc. Thats what they do with a jury, no different to what was done to Lawende, apparently.

[Cogidubnus]

More dangerous perhaps even than "Gimmee a Frenchie"!

All the best

Dave

[DVV]

PS Greek pottery...yes...nice reference!

Yes, of course.
But "Gimme a Greek" could be quite dangerous, mind you !

Cheers

[DVV]

Why did I write "American" ?
Sorry, Dave.

Meilleurs voeux

[Cogidubnus]

You lot burned my home town down several times in the 14th to 16th centuries!

But some French customs reached the shores of the UK, firstly in 1066, then at odd intervals afterwards...

All the best

Dave

PS Greek pottery...yes...nice reference!

[DVV]

Obviously no ancient Greek pottery has ever reached the shores of America.

[Cogidubnus]

Oui biensur

Absolument monsieur!

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

Roast beef, anyone?

Hello Dave.

"It wasn't much spoken of even when I was growing up, being looked on as something rather alien and foreign."

It was probably learned from all vapouring France along with ragouts and learning how to dance. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

inter-femoral

Hello (again) CD.

"I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe that that wasn't a common practice. Therefore, I would guess that the prostitutes found a simple solution to the problem such as carrying a scrap of cloth or something that they could kneel on and then discard at the end of the evening."

Most of the sex with prostitutes was inter-femoral. Both Llewellyn and Brown checked Polly and Kate's thighs (respectively) for precisely that.

Cheers.
LC