'the biggest blunder in the search for Jack the Ripper'

[mariab]

{...} the murder of Mary Kelly, who we know followed the papers. Did she let her guard down with her killer because he didn't resemble Packer or Bachert?

Huh?? You can't possibly mean that there were people who considered Packer a suspect?!! Are you referring to the beating he once received according to the press?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Dave, all,

apologies but I must get to sleep. Have fun discussing further. Goodnight all! (its 01.20am here) (apolgies to Tom too- thread crossed- fine post! Will think about it)
best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Yes, that's precisely what I meant, Maria. Packer's old ass was the Ripper. We can all go home.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Not only is the case closed, but it even implicates the grapes (of wrath) big time.

[Monty]

I am not like you i dont go runing to admin I stay and fight my cause. I may not do that in a way that pleases all but thats me if people dont like it tough.

I dont crave any attention the ripperology tree needs a good shake. Too many people been holding onto outdated theories and are not prepared to consider anyhting new that goes against there beliefs.

You are one of those persons and I would have thought you of all persons would welcome the input of new stuff. But you dont yet you cannot produce anything concrete to support your own outdated perception of this whole mystery and everyhting connected to it.

Trevor,

Ok, if you, or anyone, wishes to find out how many times I've 'ran to admin' then I give authority for them to find out.

And when you do, you will realise that you are, yet again, wrong.

Yeah, shake that tree Luke.

I welcome all new research, as long as its sound and correctly evidenced.

You have no idea about me do you? Take a look at my work. Go look at what I've done. Unlike you I do not feel the need to self promote. My work is there, and some of it conducted behind the scenes yet you and others benefit from it.

Whereas you brag and belittle. You promote ideas yet you, yourself have produced what? I mean what exactly? If you wanna play the I've done more than you for Ripperology game then let's play.

Just name the when and where.

Now, you've had your tantrum over my bitchslap. We can either get back to the thread in hand or degrade it even more.

Your call fella, I bet I know which one you'd prefer.

Monty

[Cogidubnus]

Goodnight Phil...

Dave

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Monty. I never thought you were a 'run to admin' guy, but you DID threaten to run to them on me recently, and I didn't even make anything resembling a veiled threat. Not picking, just saying. You're a little more tightly wound than usual these days.

I wonder if it's possible you and Trev will 'grab a pint together' at the conference and perhaps find some middle ground? I just hope Leahy's around to catch it on video, however it turns out.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Monty]

Hi Monty. I never thought you were a 'run to admin' guy, but you DID threaten to run to them on me recently, and I didn't even make anything resembling a veiled threat. Not picking, just saying. You're a little more tightly wound than usual these days.

I wonder if it's possible you and Trev will 'grab a pint together' at the conference and perhaps find some middle ground? I just hope Leahy's around to catch it on video, however it turns out.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I did Tom,

However that was in reference to the subject being discussed that anything personal.

Words are one thing, actions are more considered.

I'd buy Trevor a pint no problem. As I will anyone who I've locked horns with. Life is too short.

However, I won't stand for bull$hit. Be that from Trevor, Rob or you. I will say what I see and that's the end of the matter once its been said.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

Sounds fair to me.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Garry Wroe]

Well he may have planned to slice off an ear, Garry, but in the darkness made a pig's ear of it, only sliced off a small piece, which was then lost among her clothing.

I incline to the view, Caz, that Eddowes’ detached earlobe was nothing more than collateral damage. Had the killer’s intention been to remove an ear, he could have done so quickly and cleanly with one sweep of his knife.

But you are surely not suggesting he only picked on Eddowes because she had a handy, easy to remove apron on her person, to use afterwards for the fluid seepage?

Come on, Caz. We both know you’re better than that.

If Hanbury St had taught him such a lesson he'd have simply brought something out with him for the purpose along with his newly sharpened knife.

Why would he have complicated matters unnecessarily? Women of the period generally wore aprons. Failing that, they certainly wore voluminous skirts. The simplest and most practical solution to the problem of fluid seepage was thus for him to have sliced away a piece of the victim’s own clothing.

[Tom_Wescott]

I incline to the view, Caz, that Eddowes’ detached earlobe was nothing more than collateral damage.

I recall fighting Sam Flynn and Monty on this way back in the day, but now I'm inclined to this same view.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Garry Wroe]

You da man, Tom.

[Monty]

I recall fighting Sam Flynn and Monty on this way back in the day, but now I'm inclined to this same view.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

We never fight Tom,

Just disagree slightly ;-).

The angle of the cut indicates that removal of the ear wasn't his intention in my opinion.

Monty

[The Good Michael]

What? Everyone is in agreement on the ear? Dare I say, I agree too? Collateral damage only, and not the US war on terrorism kind of "collateral".

Mike

[curious]

The decision by some intelligent person to poster size examples of the Dear Boss and Saucy Jack stuff-signed- and post them outside police stations in an area populated by the many illiterate- that the literate verbally passed on- frightening the devil out of the population of the area- telling and giving all the impression that not only was it a one man kilker with insatiable blood lust- but this was JACK THE RIPPER.

Promotion and encouraged promotion of image achieved. Proof.(imho)

Phil

Phil,
Perhaps promotion was what occurred. However, it was not necessarily intended that way. In the days before TV and Internet, how did the authorities get things in front of people as they asked for help?

They posted photos of wanted men -- especially in post offices here in the States.

Photos and images are posted everywhere in order to get images before the public who MIGHT recognize something. Lost children, lost pets, suspected people, handwriting examples. They are also printed in newspapers.

To me the most likely reason for posting the cards and letters was in the hope that someone, anyone, would recognize the writing. . .

Did promotion happen? yep, you're probably right on that. Was that the intention, was it a conspiracy?

Doesn't seem likely to me.

It appears the authorities were using an avenue they had to ask for help.

curious