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Originally posted by Pierre View PostWho is anyone?
No-one else has ever noticed a link between Sweet Violets and Byron's play and then between Byron's play and the murder. So what was the killer hoping to achieve?
Was he, in 1888, sending you a personal message for you to read in 2016?
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Originally posted by David Orsam View PostI don't think you've quite understood. I'm saying that had the killer inserted into the press on 10 November a reference to a character in a play who said "Oh Murder" (knowing that this had been said on 9 November) that would have been impressive. But he didn't manage it.
You are being unhistoric, David. You can not sit and reflect on what has not happened and suggest that the past was something it wasnīt.
And of course, you are ignoring the event that Zillah experienced.
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Originally posted by David Orsam View PostWell Pierre, without being rude, I mean anyone other than you.
No-one else has ever noticed a link between Sweet Violets and Byron's play and then between Byron's play and the murder. So what was the killer hoping to achieve?
Was he, in 1888, sending you a personal message for you to read in 2016?
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Originally posted by Pierre View PostAnd Hitler did not manage to win the war.
You are being unhistoric, David. You can not sit and reflect on what has not happened and suggest that the past was something it wasnīt.
And of course, you are ignoring the event that Zillah experienced.
Are you not at all worried that the links exist only in your imagination?
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Originally posted by David Orsam View PostWhat do you mean by saying "some Zillahs were more popular than others" and that they were "not normal"?
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[QUOTE=David Orsam;390347]
What I'm trying to find Pierre is some form of objective test to confirm that your linking of Sweet Violets to Byron's play and then Byron's play to the murder is correct. A link to a play in which the words "Oh murder" were said by a character called Zillah would at least have connected to the murder of Kelly.
Are you not at all worried that the links exist only in your imagination?
And that is one of the reasons why I am discussing it with you. Perhaps you will make some point to help me realize that all the connections I have found from external data to "Sweet Violets" are spurious.
Well, at least it is worth a try.Last edited by Pierre; 08-15-2016, 01:53 AM.
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Pierre, you haven't responded to my query about the period of reflection.
It seems to me that what has happened in this thread is that, at the start, you thought that the first appearance of the mention of Sweet Violets was in the Pall Mall Gazette during the afternoon/evening of 10 November. Given that the only information in that newspaper was of "a woman" having heard this song, you evidently thought that the killer had (for reasons which remain obscure) manipulated a woman to falsely inform a reporter that she had heard Kelly singing this song.
You were unaware, however, that there were two mentions of Sweet Violets in the Times earlier that day. The first saying that the woman who heard it lived opposite Kelly, something that would in itself cause you difficulty in explaining how the killer pulled that off. But even worse, it turns out that McCarthy was the source of the PMG's information that "a woman" had heard the song being sung. How was the killer going to gull McCarthy into first thinking that the woman was a local resident and secondly into informing the press of this?
It was for this reason that you quickly decided to change the subject and move onto a point that you've obviously been dying to mention all along, namely that Sweet Violets refers to a woman called Zillah and that there is a character called Zillah in a Byron play who discovered a murder. For you, and I think for you alone, this has some kind of significance.
Does it worry you at all that you are not convincing anyone else?
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Originally posted by Pierre View PostHow do you know what terrified who, David?
If you are able to identify a single person who was terrified by it then here's your opportunity.
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[QUOTE=David Orsam;390351]
Pierre, you haven't responded to my query about the period of reflection.
It seems to me that what has happened in this thread is that, at the start, you thought that the first appearance of the mention of Sweet Violets was in the Pall Mall Gazette during the afternoon/evening of 10 November. Given that the only information in that newspaper was of "a woman" having heard this song, you evidently thought that the killer had (for reasons which remain obscure) manipulated a woman to falsely inform a reporter that she had heard Kelly singing this song.
You were unaware, however, that there were two mentions of Sweet Violets in the Times earlier that day. The first saying that the woman who heard it lived opposite Kelly, something that would in itself cause you difficulty in explaining how the killer pulled that off. But even worse, it turns out that McCarthy was the source of the PMG's information that "a woman" had heard the song being sung. How was the killer going to gull McCarthy into first thinking that the woman was a local resident and secondly into informing the press of this?
The consequence of the problems I mention is that we can not say who told the papers about the song and from were it first came. That is something, in the case of "Sweet Violets" we have to accept, and it is often a problem in establishing historical facts.
And that is why I tell you, David, that I have a hypothesis.
It was for this reason that you quickly decided to change the subject and move onto a point that you've obviously been dying to mention all along, namely that Sweet Violets refers to a woman called Zillah and that there is a character called Zillah in a Byron play who discovered a murder. For you, and I think for you alone, this has some kind of significance.
Does it worry you at all that you are not convincing anyone else?
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Originally posted by David Orsam View PostLet's put it this way Pierre. I'm suggesting that the mention of Sweet Violets in the press terrified absolutely no-one.
If you are able to identify a single person who was terrified by it then here's your opportunity.
And now I have work to do.
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