What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[lynn cates]

not well

Hello CFL. Thanks.

"I am going to GUESS that he was sweeping the floor or some other casual labor for the nightly doss and he meant that he was having no luck finding regular, steady "work"."

No mention of such. And he reported the few pence he had earned at market on Friday AND Saturday.

"(What's the likelyhood that that he was a MALE prositute? How many gays or cougars were 'slumming' Whitechapel streets?)"

John was not well (we know this thanks to Debs Arif's research). Might have done a poor job.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Making money legitimately?

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"I wonder how long we can continue this before one of your stalkers arrives?"

(Heh-heh) Good question. But I'd rather discuss the case--even if I DO pay close attention to details.

"Perhaps that may be a check in the soliciting box? Before her murder she had been making money and Kelly how you say, holding onto it for safe keeping."

Possibly. And so I wonder if they were making money legitimately?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

busted

Hello Gwyneth.

"I believe only Liz had been arrested (and only once) for soliciting - in England, that is."

Do you have the details for this? I haven't been able to locate any except her D & D's.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Busted!

Hello Lynn,

You've put me on the spot here! Clearly remember reading this, I think in one of the books, but not sure exactly where. I will try to locate it.

Best wishes,
C4

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"What if Eddowes was an occasional solicitor and upon returning from a failed hopping excursion she was how you say sent out to get money?"

OK. When do you think she and John came back from Kent?

"Something I find funny is that everyone assumes Kidney was abusive but Kelly is a gentle creature. I wonder if it isn't maybe the other way around?"

Indeed. Have a go at Tom Wescott's Kidney essay.

Cheers.
LC

Not sure on their return. Would have to review all that again. But could she have been soliciting outside of London?

Already had a go at it. Fine and interesting reading. I wonder why Kelly couldn't have killed Eddowes just the same as Kidney killed Stride? Or Barnett killed "MJK"? I think Mr. Wood would claim it more likely than a serial killer on the loose.

[lynn cates]

Not to worry.

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Oops, don't worry about it. I, too, read that. But no one has yet found the original source.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

return trip

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Not sure on their return. Would have to review all that again."

The rest of London returned first week of September.

"But could she have been soliciting outside of London?"

OK. Any ideas where?

"Already had a go at it. Fine and interesting reading."

Agreed.

"I wonder why Kelly couldn't have killed Eddowes just the same as Kidney killed Stride? Or Barnett killed "MJK"?"

Well, was there not an easier way to have done it? Of course, Fred claimed John was in bed at the time.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"I wonder how long we can continue this before one of your stalkers arrives?"

(Heh-heh) Good question. But I'd rather discuss the case--even if I DO pay close attention to details.

"Perhaps that may be a check in the soliciting box? Before her murder she had been making money and Kelly how you say, holding onto it for safe keeping."

Possibly. And so I wonder if they were making money legitimately?

Cheers.
LC

Well it seems there attempt to do so hopping was a failed effort of sorts. Also, Kelly's health was poor? Making the treck to Kent and back could've been difficult. Might that explain their delay in returning?

[lynn cates]

making a come back

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Also, Kelly's health was poor?"

Quite.

"Making the trek to Kent and back could've been difficult."

Agreed.

"Might that explain their delay in returning?"

Well, was the journey any shorter three weeks later?

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Paul Begg

Hello again Lynn,

Paul Begg, The Definitive Story, page 211 in my copy: "On 13 November 1884, she (Stride) was sentenced for being drunk, disorderly and soliciting."

Apparently she met Kidney the year after.

Best wishes,

Gwyneth

P.S. No source given, as you say.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

I'll see if I can locate the source Paul used for that. Perhaps "Lloyd's" as they had a column for such cases?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Also, Kelly's health was poor?"

Quite.

"Making the trek to Kent and back could've been difficult."

Agreed.

"Might that explain their delay in returning?"

Well, was the journey any shorter three weeks later?

Cheers.
LC

No, but having had many bouts of ill health I know it can take it out of you. It can take plenty of time to prepare yourself for another large expendature of energy. Also, getting out of the city and filth and etc can be plenty helpful. Not to mention not wanting to be in any hurry to return to back to squalour and decay. What was there to really look forward too?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Ha!

A reward for The Ripper! Sorry. Could not keep to myself.

[Cogidubnus]

13th November 1884

The only other references I've been able to find so far are other folk pursuing the same search. It may well be that the Court Records held at the London Metropolitan Archive, or the Indexes held at the National Archive are Paul's source...

All the best

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Minor Update

Heal Shelden quotes the 13th November 1884 case in his "Victims" book and says Liz got seven days hard labour

Cheers

Dave