What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[curious4]

Busted!

Hello Lynn,

You've put me on the spot here! Clearly remember reading this, I think in one of the books, but not sure exactly where. I will try to locate it.

Best wishes,
C4

[lynn cates]

busted

Hello Gwyneth.

"I believe only Liz had been arrested (and only once) for soliciting - in England, that is."

Do you have the details for this? I haven't been able to locate any except her D & D's.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Making money legitimately?

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"I wonder how long we can continue this before one of your stalkers arrives?"

(Heh-heh) Good question. But I'd rather discuss the case--even if I DO pay close attention to details.

"Perhaps that may be a check in the soliciting box? Before her murder she had been making money and Kelly how you say, holding onto it for safe keeping."

Possibly. And so I wonder if they were making money legitimately?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

not well

Hello CFL. Thanks.

"I am going to GUESS that he was sweeping the floor or some other casual labor for the nightly doss and he meant that he was having no luck finding regular, steady "work"."

No mention of such. And he reported the few pence he had earned at market on Friday AND Saturday.

"(What's the likelyhood that that he was a MALE prositute? How many gays or cougars were 'slumming' Whitechapel streets?)"

John was not well (we know this thanks to Debs Arif's research). Might have done a poor job.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Back from the Baltic

The soliciting kind. Prostitute. Good to talk with you again.

Hello DALDW,

Same here! Been holidaying in the Baltic. (well, not IN it exactly!)

What I meant was that the definition of a prostitute was much broader then. I believe only Liz had been arrested (and only once) for soliciting - in England, that is. In Sweden at the time, due to laws introduced to prevent the spread of STDs, a woman could be registered as a prostitute for having a child out of wedlock or even for having no fixed address.

Of all the victims only Mary Kelly fitted the bill as a working girl - led astray while young, move to high-class brothel and then gradually sliding down the slope as she grew less attractive until she ended up as a street prostitute.

Best wishes,
C4

[lynn cates]

hop to it

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"What if Eddowes was an occasional solicitor and upon returning from a failed hopping excursion she was how you say sent out to get money?"

OK. When do you think she and John came back from Kent?

"Something I find funny is that everyone assumes Kidney was abusive but Kelly is a gentle creature. I wonder if it isn't maybe the other way around?"

Indeed. Have a go at Tom Wescott's Kidney essay.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"She was apparently in some sort of relationship with a man who was also without steady employ and as homeless as she."

Yes, John claimed that they were penniless Saturday afternoon. Yet he came up with doss for the night. Same next night and next. AND he reports no success finding work.

What's going on?

Cheers.
LC

I wonder how long we can continue this before one of your stalkers arrives? Digressing, fine question. Perhaps that may be a check in the soliciting box? Before her murder she had been making money and Kelly how you say, holding onto it for safe keeping. Maybe he had other ladies who's money he held? Still just prattling on.

[C. F. Leon]

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"She was apparently in some sort of relationship with a man who was also without steady employ and as homeless as she."

Yes, John claimed that they were penniless Saturday afternoon. Yet he came up with doss for the night. Same next night and next. AND he reports no success finding work.

What's going on?

Cheers.
LC

I am going to GUESS that he was sweeping the floor or some other casual labor for the nightly doss and he meant that he was having no luck finding regular, steady "work".

(What's the likelyhood that that he was a MALE prositute? How many gays or cougars were 'slumming' Whitechapel streets?)

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

I wonder....

What if Eddowes was an occasional solicitor and upon returning from a failed hopping excursion she was how you say sent out to get money? Hence the drink. Kelly gave her money for drink so it would be easier to deal with. She gets drunk and winds up in jail. Worried about being late and broke she goes on the hunt so she isn't empty-handed upon seeing Kelly again. Something I find funny is that everyone assumes Kidney was abussive but Kelly is a gentle creature. I wonder if it isn't maybe the other way around? Just prattling on.

[curious4]

Looked younger

I'm willing to believe that ANY of the victims may have been quite attractive in their teens or early 20s, say. Before they lost their teeth and developed hygenic or malnutrition problems.

Probably more appropriate to give 'Marie Jeanette' the French maid's outfit, and Liz can have the Swedish maid's (is their REALLY a difference?). Polly or Annie can be the English (twins?) and Kate can be Scottish. Non-canonical: Alice is another Scot and I'll have to think about the others.

Hello Leon,

Joking apart, several of the victims, including Polly and Liz were said to look younger than they were. Liz' age was estimated to be around 35, I believe, when she was found.

Talking uniforms I think the french maid has it - Swedish one was much longer in the skirt :-)

Best wishes,
C4

[lynn cates]

work

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"She was apparently in some sort of relationship with a man who was also without steady employ and as homeless as she."

Yes, John claimed that they were penniless Saturday afternoon. Yet he came up with doss for the night. Same next night and next. AND he reports no success finding work.

What's going on?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Clarity and Hullo C4 been a minute

Hello DALDW,

Sadly, at the time, any homeless woman was deemed to be an unfortunate. Indeed, any woman who had separated from her husband was considered no better than she should be. Unless she happened to be rich, in which case she was an eccentric.

Cheers,
C4

The soliciting kind. Prostitute. Good to talk with you again.

[C. F. Leon]

Hello Leon,

As the only photograph we have is of her dead with her throat cut, it's hard to say. She could have looked rather fetching. And as a char she may well have had the feather duster!

Best wishes,
C4

I'm willing to believe that ANY of the victims may have been quite attractive in their teens or early 20s, say. Before they lost their teeth and developed hygenic or malnutrition problems.

Probably more appropriate to give 'Marie Jeanette' the French maid's outfit, and Liz can have the Swedish maid's (is their REALLY a difference?). Polly or Annie can be the English (twins?) and Kate can be Scottish. Non-canonical: Alice is another Scot and I'll have to think about the others.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Great question!

How would YOU answer it?

Cheers.
LC

Well I would prefer to have more data before doing so. Nevertheless, she was effectively homeless. With no steady work that is known. She was apparently in some sort of relationship with a man who was also without steady employ and as homeless as she. I would say it is a reasonable possibility that she engaged in prostitution when needed.

[curious4]

Unfortunates

Hullo Lynn and others. Question? So with all the other victims there is a least some source they were unfortunates. Tabram, Nichols, Chapman, Stride, "MJK", etc. Where does this come from as it pertains to Eddowes?

Hello DALDW,

Sadly, at the time, any homeless woman was deemed to be an unfortunate. Indeed, any woman who had separated from her husband was considered no better than she should be. Unless she happened to be rich, in which case she was an eccentric.

Cheers,
C4