What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[Ally]

If the doctors time of death is correct Long could not have seen her

And if determining TOD was in anyway scientificially precise in 1888 I would, say there was a valid argument to be made. Considering it basically amounted to "Cor, she's good and cold, she musta been dead for two hours!", I'll pass on giving TOD determinations any significant weight.

[C. F. Leon]

Hi Abby



Mylett and McKenzie both had money, and I`m sure Coles had some nearby her body.

Relatively nearby, like 20 meters or so, if I have the right scale. Not right next to her body, as usually implied.

General question: did any of the OTHER victims have rings or other possible items of 'value' that were NOT missing? I'm not talking about possible money retrieved, I'll expect THAT (but didn't Stride have some coins that she had earned earlier?). If so, why were only Chapman's rings taken? Did Barnett report any items removed from the room (other than the 'burned clothing, which he wouldn't have known about in detail)?.

[Trevor Marriott]

According to Long's testimony she saw her at 5:30 and was certain of the time as the clock chimed as she rounded the corner. Regardless, she clearly saw her soliciting prior to her death which means she was no doubt soliciting when she encountered her murderer.

From her inquest testimony:


"Maybe not strictly soliciting"? What was she being asked for, a breath mint??

If the doctors time of death is correct Long could not have seen her

[Monty]

Hi Lynn,

I'm figuring you aren't familiar with prostitutes and their transactions.

They take the money up front and pocket it. The rifling is a sign of retrieval.

Monty

[Ally]

To speak in general terms, does it bother your investigatorial side that Liz and Kate had no signs of having had recent sexual activity?

Cheers.
LC

Not particularly. For starters, define "recent". If we assume that Kate's last successful solicitation was sometime prior to her being arrested, after which she'd found the time to go and get drunk, she'd had more than sufficient time afterwards to clean herself up and more than enough items on her person to accomplish that. As for Liz, she likewise may have had significant time from her last successful solicitation to her murder to do a sufficient job of wiping herself down or she may well not have had any success at all. Soliciting doesn't come with a guarantee of a pay day and may well be why she was seen in the presence of so many different men.

[lynn cates]

Polly and Annie

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"None of the Whitechapel murder victims had signs of recent sexual activity."

Absolutely. Polly admitted to having doss money 3 times the day of her death. Yet her thighs were clean. Obviously (well, if Oram is to be believed) she had washed. Her new lodging house seemed adult enough.

Annie had no success. That is why I believe she went to #29 Hanbury as a default option.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Seeking after a sign.

Hello Neil. Thanks.

I agree that Annie--not long before her demise--was soliciting. I further agree that both Annie and Kate had their belongings rifled (nor am I here making heavy weather about the disparity of piles--one thing at a time).

But I'm not sure why being rifled is, in itself, a sign of solicitation?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

To speak in general terms, does it bother your investigatorial side that Liz and Kate had no signs of having had recent sexual activity?

None of the Whitechapel murder victims had signs of recent sexual activity.

[Monty]

Chapman and Eddowes were most likely prostituting when murdered. The type, location and the fact their possessions were riled support this.

Monty

[lynn cates]

And no sign shall be given them.

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"why precisely are you so determined to propose alternate scenarios to the most probable fact: That the women were soliciting when they were murdered."

Quite likely for Polly and Annie. We have their hints in that direction.

Liz, less likely--but possible. It would be more likely had those "sightings" been definitely of different men.

To speak in general terms, does it bother your investigatorial side that Liz and Kate had no signs of having had recent sexual activity?

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

Or, since he's obviously okay with murder, petty thievery isn't outside the scope of his ethical limits and after killing women, might as well see what they have that could enrich you.

If you are imagining some scenario under which a woman is begging for drinks but somehow tricks her killer into first buying her drinks without delivering the goods, I would suggest that once again this is just some convoluted method of getting around the most likely solution.

Just out of curiosity, why precisely are you so determined to propose alternate scenarios to the most probable fact: That the women were soliciting when they were murdered. Why are you trying to put forth scenarios, no matter how convoluted or unlikely, to lead people away from the most likely scenario. What does such obfuscation achieve?

[lynn cates]

The Rifleman.

Hello (again) Ally. Thanks.

"What was the quid pro quo of which you speak?"

Good question. Wonder if her killer thought she had something of interest on her person? Would that explain his rifling her goods?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

shake down

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"What was she being asked for, a breath mint??"

No, that was Liz (heh-heh). Seriously, I believe she was with "Leather Apron" and he was shaking her down as he did others--not very coherently, perhaps.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

similar circumstances

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"And I would think that neither Stride nor Eddowes would have said "no", in similar circumstances."

Fair enough. However, we can be more confident that Annie had been recently soliciting. Less so in the other cases. And Annie seems to have been a partly kept woman.

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

What was the quid pro quo of which you speak. If you are referring to sex for alcohol, that's still prostitution. Skipping the middle stage of exchanging coin doesn't mean you aren't still whoring for booze.