E Petitions and Ripper Files and papers

[Trevor Marriott]

This 100,000 signatures business is a bit of a red herring. That relates to a parliamentary debate, which is a gimmick introduced by this government, and which wouldn't in itself achieve anything anyway.

If I understand correctly all the petitions will be looked at by someone from the relevant department, and I suppose they will notice how much support has been attracted by each one. Having said that, I think the chances of this petition actually changing anything are close to nil. It's a way of registering a protest.

Can I ask again - does anyone know what the cost would be of getting a full copy of the redacted version of the Special Branch records? There may still be some interesting information that's accessible, even as things stand.

Phenomenal ! 30.000 entries in the registers 35 entries per page which are approx A3 size and I belive are double sided. Thats 875 pages = a lot of money and thats without the ledgers which are 6.000 entries. Thes pages are approx A4 size.

[Trevor Marriott]

The above statement, in my humble opinion, is cranky.

Its not cranky its quite simple when you at it overall.

If you accept that all of these victims were not killed by the same hand clearly the evidence supports that.

If you accept that the killer did not remove these organs from the victims clearly evidence supports that also

If you accept that the first letter in which the name Jack The Ripper appears that it was not written by the killer. Proven

Eliminate the "Likely Suspects" in doing so remove the Mad Doctor/The Royals etc/The mad local etc

If you accept that the killer did not write the graffiti

If you accept that the killer did not cut the apron piece from Eddowes

I think all of the aforementioned are very vaild reasons.

What are you left with a series of unsolved murders of a similar nature. You could loosely argue that the mutilations carried out on some of the victims warranted the killer of those being called "The Ripper" but not this myth surrounding Jack The Ripper which has kept all of this alive for 123 years.

[Chris]

Phenomenal ! 30.000 entries in the registers 35 entries per page which are approx A3 size and I belive are double sided. Thats 875 pages = a lot of money and thats without the ledgers which are 6.000 entries. Thes pages are approx A4 size.

Thanks. On that basis I don't see that the costs would be prohibitive. Authorities are not meant to charge more than the actual cost of copying. For example, the guidance is that they should normally charge only 10p for photocopying a sheet of A4. On that basis, I'd have thought the cost of copying the redacted version of the register shouldn't really be more than £200.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/foikb/PolicyLines/FOIPolicyReasonableamount.htm

[Stewart P Evans]

Nickname

Its not cranky its quite simple when you at it overall.
If you accept that all of these victims were not killed by the same hand clearly the evidence supports that.
If you accept that the killer did not remove these organs from the victims clearly evidence supports that also
If you accept that the first letter in which the name Jack The Ripper appears that it was not written by the killer. Proven
Eliminate the "Likely Suspects" in doing so remove the Mad Doctor/The Royals etc/The mad local etc
I think all of the aforementioned are very vaild reasons.
What are you left with a series of unsolved murders of a similar nature. You could loosely argue that the mutilations carried out on some of the victims warranted the killer of those being called "The Ripper" but not this myth surrounding Jack The Ripper which has kept all of this alive for 123 years.

'Jack the Ripper' is a nickname, undoubtedly coined by the press, to identify the unknown murderer of a small number of women in late 1888. It has been used by you has it not? So to say that he never existed is to say that the unknown killer never existed. It's not a new claim however.

The statement that it is 'a good time for the MPS to come clean. Unless, of course, it is in their own interests not to do so.' is, in my opinion, cranky and hints of conspiracy of some sort, where none exists. What has kept 'all of this alive' for so many years is the mystery and romance that has attached to it, not to say all the cash it has generated in more modern times.

[Stewart P Evans]

Apropos of...

Apropos of ledgers and registers listing documents and files, there are many preserved at Kew. On their own they may not tell us much and in many cases the material listed probably no longer exists. But the entries are tantalising nonetheless.

[Trevor Marriott]

'Jack the Ripper' is a nickname, undoubtedly coined by the press, to identify the unknown murderer of a small number of women in late 1888. It has been used by you has it not? So to say that he never existed is to say that the unknown killer never existed. It's not a new claim however.

The statement that it is 'a good time for the MPS to come clean. Unless, of course, it is in their own interests not to do so.' is, in my opinion, cranky and hints of conspiracy of some sort, where none exists. What has kept 'all of this alive' for so many years is the mystery and romance that has attached to it, not to say all the cash it has generated in more modern times.

The name Jack The Ripper has been used by almost everyone but it is not until you delve deeper into this mystery that the doubts start to form. The more you look the more the more the picture becomes clearer. BUt only to those who want to see and are prepared to look at things in a different light.

Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.

No wonder the police dont want the files released and the the true facts revealed

[Stewart P Evans]

Johnny Come Lately

The name Jack The Ripper has been used by almost everyone but it is not until you delve deeper into this mystery that the doubts start to form. The more you look the more the more the picture becomes clearer. BUt only to those who want to see and are prepared to look at things in a different light.

Trev, you are a bit of a 'Johnny Come Lately' on the Ripper scene, and it shows at times.

From the publisher's blurb on the cover of Jack the Ripper Letters From Hell, 2001, 'An original and responsible look at a case which has been hackneyed by so many authors, the story of the Ripper letters ends by posing a controversial question: was 'Jack the Ripper' merely a press invention?'

[Trevor Marriott]

Apropos of ledgers and registers listing documents and files, there are many preserved at Kew. On their own they may not tell us much and in many cases the material listed probably no longer exists. But the entries are tantalising nonetheless.

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Is this The CID crime register in its entirety and equivalant to The SB Register I see from what you have posted there are references to The Whitechapel Murders. Are these the only references or have you just posted sample extracts.

[Stewart P Evans]

Apologise

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Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.
No wonder the police dont want the files released and the the true facts revealed

I think that you should apologise to the good people who conduct Ripper walks, for they do a proper job which is appreciated by thousands of tourists.

This is pure inflammatory nonsense on your part. As for imaginary 'Cartel members' being reduced to imaginary tears, well that's all in your head I'm afraid.

The police released the relevant murder files many years ago, before you even became interested in cashing in on the case.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trev, you are a bit of a 'Johnny Come Lately' on the Ripper scene, and it shows at times.

From the publisher's blurb on the cover of Jack the Ripper Letters From Hell, 2001, 'An original and responsible look at a case which has been hackneyed by so many authors, the story of the Ripper letters ends by posing a controversial question: was 'Jack the Ripper' merely a press invention?'

What some would class as original and responsible may not be classed as the same in the eyes of others.

Didnt you write the "letters from hell" ?

and it was a press invention was it not ?

[Stewart P Evans]

Plain English

What some would class as original and responsible may not be classed as the same in the eyes of others.
Didnt you write the "letters from hell" ?
and it was a press invention was it not ?

I do wish that you would write clearly, and in plain English.

[Trevor Marriott]

I think that you should apologise to the good people who conduct Ripper walks, for they do a proper job which is appreciated by thousands of tourists.

This is pure inflammatory nonsense on your part. As for imaginary 'Cartel members' being reduced to imaginary tears, well that's all in your head I'm afraid.

The police released the relevant murder files many years ago, before you even became interested in cashing in on the case.

Have you lost your sense of humour also

Its nothing to do with slurring those who conduct ripper walks.

If there were no Jack The Ripper there would be no Ripper walks would there. Would tourists still flock to see the sites of a series of unsolved murders of a similar nature

[John Bennett]

Look at the impact no more ripper walks, some would have to go out and get proper jobs, many Ripper book withdrawn from circulation. The UK`s economy would dip. Cartel members reduced to tears and seen on lonely midnight vigils in Mitre Square.

A proper job? Oh no!

[Trevor Marriott]

A proper job? Oh no!

There arent many about now

[Carol]

[QUOTE=PaulB;194215]Doing a Trevor and inserting your replies in someone else's post isn't helpful and should be avoided.

Hi Paul,

Judging by the above I can only say I'm very sorry I upset you so much. I'll tell you why I did that. The simple reason is that I am not very 'savvy' when it comes to all the various 'specialities' one can do when writing on this site. I can tell you that it took me at least half an hour of attempting to 'do it posh' and how I eventually wrote my mail was the best I could come up with. THIS IS THE TRUTH!

I would be very grateful if you could tell me how to do it 'properly' so that I don't upset you needlessly again. Thank you.

Carol