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  • E Petitions and Ripper Files and papers

    Greetings to all.

    For those who attended The The Whitechapel Conference in London last weekend will recall that I mentioned two Ripper enthusiasts were setting up two specific E Petition sites with a view to lobbying the British government into to de-classifying and make public all files and papers relating to The Whitechapel Murders which have not yet been made public. These two person are based in Canada and here in the UK and I have to thank them for taking the time to set all of this up.

    I was dissapointed to see comments on JTR forums from two respected researchers who in my opinion should have known better. Both poured water on this project, both went to great lengths to elablorate on how wonderful they were and that they had tried to get access etc, and highlighted how they had failed.

    The E Petitions encompass anything ripper related which may be found in The Special Branch ledgers and registers which were the subject of a lengthy Freedom Of Infprmation appeal. We already know of "new" Ripper related material has been found in them and until they are examined in greater detail we cannot say for sure if any more will be found.

    These petitions also encompass MEPO 38 to which part of is still retained by Special Branch and has not been made public. It is known that within this file there are files relating to other important cases that SB were involved and had an interet in so there may be Ripper related files of papers amongs these undisclosed files.

    In respect of MEPO 38 I currently have another freedom of information of information request in place to gain access to these files. However having regards to the previous case I am not particulary confident that this will succeed.

    As far as that previous appeal was concerned for those who are not already aware I did appeal the tribunals decison on a point of law which the Judge agreed with. However they have the power to simply amend the written decision which they did stating that although the wording in the decsion notice was wrong in law, it did not effect the overall decsion of the tribunal.

    So now these petitions may be the last chance to save these records etc. The Metropolitan Police are likley to destroy the originals of the registers and the ledgers so these petitions must be treated with urgency to try to save them.

    The UK site can be found at http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18403 only UK residents and citizens can vote on this site.

    Everyone else worldwide, including UK residents and citizens the relevant site is

    It's time to declassify and preserve all historical Ripper information. (148 signatures on petition)


    I have asked Stephen Ryder if he would be consider mailing details of these sites to all casebook members both past and present and whose details still remain on the database, and await a response.

    If 100.000 signatures can be obtained there is a chance that this will force the British Government to discuss this in Parliament. So your vote would help the cause. Please feel free to pass these details onto any others who you may have on your e mail list who may wish to support this action.

    "Failure is not an option"

  • #2
    Stephen,

    Please dont bother mailing the details to me.

    I'm sure we both have better things to do with our time.

    Cheers
    Monty
    Monty

    https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

    Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Monty View Post
      Stephen,

      Please dont bother mailing the details to me.

      I'm sure we both have better things to do with our time.

      Cheers
      Monty
      I will treat that remark with the contempt both you and the remark demands

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      • #4
        Firstly Trevor, my remark was addressed to Stephen Ryder and not you.

        Secondly, I care not for your contempt.

        Thirdly, I am a member of this site out of choice. I chose to be a member to learn and partake in debate. Not to have causes thrown down my throat and enforced into my Email in box.

        Fourthly, to ask an unbiaised site such as this to mail its membership regarding an E petition is beyond galling.

        Fifthly, if said unbaised site does indeed carry out your outrageous request the I shall consider my own membership. However my trust and belief in this site is such that I am extremely confident such a consideration will not happen.

        Finally, same as firstly really. My request is none of your business. I shall make it when I choose, to whom I choose, why I choose and how I choose.

        Your hypocrisy screams.

        Monty
        Monty

        https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

        Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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        • #5
          First of all, I quite agree with Neil that for more of Marriott's nonsense to be sent to all Casebook members (he previously PMed everyone -- supposedly with permission -- with an ad for his book) would be an unwarranted and unwelcome intrusion.

          Moreover, the petition is stuff and nonsense and basically a publicity stunt.

          Further, both Stewart Evans and Paul Begg were in agreement and provided quite cogent and compelling reasons why the petitition drive ought be quickly forgotten.

          Finally, the UK-only petition contains a howling grammatical error.

          Don.
          "To expose [the Senator] is rather like performing acts of charity among the deserving poor; it needs to be done and it makes one feel good, but it does nothing to end the problem."

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          • #6
            Don,

            Superficially, the idea of de-classification sounds like a good one. I haven't looked at the petition, nor have I seen Stewart and Paul's arguments against it. Is it possible to brief me on this?

            Typically, I am against government control over old documents on the basis of historical value, even if release of such creates unpleasantness for some people, myself included. If there are compelling reasons not to have these items released, I would like to hear them.

            Mike
            huh?

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            • #7
              Ok, this is the last ******* straw!!!!!!!!!!!!!! since no one here can help themselves to be so goddamned dumb and stubborn and since no one can learn to work together despite differences to help to a same goal, this is seriously making me feel to take out my crowbar and smash some inbred skulls, I won't feel any regret there for slamming the bloody door!!!!!!!! I might be the unbearable psycho bitch but i can seriously say my image of so called "serious researchers" has been very damaged here, ENOUGH MATERIAL ON THESE BOARDS TO GET YOU DISGUSTED OF YOUR FAVORITE HOBBY. seriously this won't prevent me from sleeping at night!!! CAAAAM AWAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Supe View Post
                First of all, I quite agree with Neil that for more of Marriott's nonsense to be sent to all Casebook members (he previously PMed everyone -- supposedly with permission -- with an ad for his book) would be an unwarranted and unwelcome intrusion.

                Moreover, the petition is stuff and nonsense and basically a publicity stunt.

                Further, both Stewart Evans and Paul Begg were in agreement and provided quite cogent and compelling reasons why the petitition drive ought be quickly forgotten.

                Finally, the UK-only petition contains a howling grammatical error.

                Don.
                You are so narrow minded

                And where did I mention any book Mr Know it all ?

                So the gods have spoken so we all ought sit up and take notice, get real.

                They failed thats no slur on them. However I failed in some respects but all was not in vain so only a partial failure not a total one

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                • #9
                  Sis,

                  The idea of a common goal is a good one, but experience tells me that at least one party in this argument says "common" but means "me." I wish it weren't so, and maybe I'm wrong. I'll give you a hint: It isn't me and it isn't Jesus.


                  Mike
                  huh?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                    Don,

                    Superficially, the idea of de-classification sounds like a good one. I haven't looked at the petition, nor have I seen Stewart and Paul's arguments against it. Is it possible to brief me on this?

                    Typically, I am against government control over old documents on the basis of historical value, even if release of such creates unpleasantness for some people, myself included. If there are compelling reasons not to have these items released, I would like to hear them.

                    Mike
                    The complellng reasons do not stand up to close scrutiny both from Messrs Begg and Evans nor from The Police themsleves.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                      Sis,

                      The idea of a common goal is a good one, but experience tells me that at least one party in this argument says "common" but means "me." I wish it weren't so, and maybe I'm wrong. I'll give you a hint: It isn't me and it isn't Jesus.


                      Mike
                      Then Michael Dear you will understand my desertion. it does make me pissed cause there are few people like you i'll be missing from the board, they know who they are, but now, it's more than enough, i want ripperology to remain something I enjoy, not something I end up feeling sick from like it happened with the extreme metal scene. so i'm out.

                      so long!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                        Sis,

                        The idea of a common goal is a good one, but experience tells me that at least one party in this argument says "common" but means "me." I wish it weren't so, and maybe I'm wrong. I'll give you a hint: It isn't me and it isn't Jesus.


                        Mike
                        Well it is isnt "me" thats for sure I didnt initiate the petitions. As stated two very interested ripper entusiasts did it, but once again its an ideal opportunity for some to have a go at me yet again, but hey ho water off a ducks back to me.

                        Those who have beat others into submission will not do so with me. I see another valuable member in Sister Hyde has had enough and left how many more will leave as a result of the actions of a mindless few on here.


                        But of course they will still have JTR forums where they can still keep stirring the poison pot
                        Last edited by Trevor Marriott; 10-09-2011, 07:50 PM.

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                        • #13
                          wait!!! I didn't tell maria what's on my heart yet and it's been tickling me for months: DON'T SAY MOTHER****ER MOTHER****ER!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that felt gooooooooooood!

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                          • #14
                            Beat others into submission?

                            I see no one else ranting here, in bold, other than you Trevor.

                            If Cam and Mike want to either leave or follow your cause then I wish them luck. Their choice, as was mine when I asked Stephen not to mail your bollocks on to me.

                            I have my own mind and do not wish your propoganda crap in my mail. Naïve others may hang off your every word, I do not.

                            Monty
                            Monty

                            https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

                            Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                            http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Monty View Post

                              I have my own mind and do not wish your propoganda crap in my mail. Naïve others may hang off your every word, I do not.

                              Monty
                              well now for some reasons thios is making me wet my pants

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