Not Again

[GUT]

I just hear the FBI is now saying it was an Act of Terrorism.

[Pcdunn]

Yes, I saw some of the press conference today. FBI is working with local police authorities and allied agencies abroad. They found out that the wife had pledged alliegance to ISIS on her Facebook page. They're searching the home and trying to recover the couple's "digital footprints", though an effort seemed to have been made to shred documents and erase their computers. Stupid people. They have a very young baby, too.

[GUT]

Yes, I saw some of the press conference today. FBI is working with local police authorities and allied agencies abroad. They found out that the wife had pledged alliegance to ISIS on her Facebook page. They're searching the home and trying to recover the couple's "digital footprints", though an effort seemed to have been made to shred documents and erase their computers. Stupid people. They have a very young baby, too.

And what a burden the poor kid will grow up with, unless they end up a lunatic like their parents.

[Wickerman]

Workplace violence with a supply of three thousand bullets-- nothing suspicious here, folks, move along. Meanwhile, we keep our heads down and listen to news reports on fighting back with scissors and staples in case of an active shooter at our offices. It's as stupid as the "Duck and Cover" drills we had when I was in grade school.

One guy being interviewed yesterday suggests the best way to stop this indiscriminate gun violence is, for everyone to carry a gun.

All these 'John Wayne wannabees' claim to need a gun for self protection.
Truth is, none of them would get the chance to use it.
Killers don't give a warning (heads up, I'm coming in guns blazing!) no, the first you know about it is when you hear the sound of shots.

Opposition to gun control is all about money, it has nothing to do with rights.

[Robert]

Oh, I don't know, Jon. A gun might have been needed here, if place were slow in turning up :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leytonstone-stabbing-gruesome-video-shows-6962101

[GUT]

One guy being interviewed yesterday suggests the best way to stop this indiscriminate gun violence is, for everyone to carry a gun.

All these 'John Wayne wannabees' claim to need a gun for self protection.
Truth is, none of them would get the chance to use it.
Killers don't give a warning (heads up, I'm coming in guns blazing!) no, the first you know about it is when you hear the sound of shots.

Opposition to gun control is all about money, it has nothing to do with rights.

According to reports here a bloke in a nearby shop (over the road I think) had a gun but that didn't save anyone did it.

[Wickerman]

Oh, I don't know, Jon. A gun might have been needed here, if place were slow in turning up :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-shows-6962101

'A' gun, or 20 guns? (the suggestion was, everybody)
And how many bystanders are going to be hit in the crossfire?

Collateral damage?

Hows about allowing 'everyone' to carry a stun gun?
That seemed to arrest the problem in this case.

[GUT]

Just heard an attack in a tube station in England is being treated as a terrorist attack, but it was with a knife, maybe because guns aren't so readily available.

[Robert]

Jon, I haven't the figures to hand, but I doubt if many people have been killed in the US by law-abiding citizens opening fire on an attacker, missing him and hitting each other. Indeed the mystifying thing is, most Americans own guns but without having the slightest inclination, or even ability, to use them.

[Robert]

Yes, it's being treated as a terrorist incident. The suspect is alleged to have shouted something about Syria, though you'd never know that from looking at the report on the BBC news site.

[Shaggyrand]

Narrative is almost more important than facts these days for many media outlets. Which is almost as bad as the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" school of journalism that shows up when anything is developing. The joys of the 24 hour news cycle and desperation for hits. Despite the event now being looked at as a terrorist event, many still won't give up their earlier version of what it was until there is no other choice and when something that actually fits that original narrative happens this will be brought up as whatever again.
If that makes sense to anyone... It does to me at any rate.

[Wickerman]

Jon, I haven't the figures to hand, but I doubt if many people have been killed in the US by law-abiding citizens opening fire on an attacker, missing him and hitting each other. Indeed the mystifying thing is, most Americans own guns but without having the slightest inclination, or even ability, to use them.

Robert, more gun owners with little inclination, even less ability, increasing the likelyhood of a calamity cannot hope to improve the situation.

[Wickerman]

According to reports here a bloke in a nearby shop (over the road I think) had a gun but that didn't save anyone did it.

Right GUT.

There is more to this issue than being the proud owner of a gun. No-one shoots back on a Saturday morning gun range
Military and police are trained to be involved in an exchange of gunfire, the ordinary citizen is not.

[Steadmund Brand]

Look....to me...and I know that I don't speak for anyone else is...the problem is easy gun accessibility.....legal or illegal....I am ALL FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN.....but I am also for STRICT rules......or REGULATIONS'...and for people who want to jump on me screaming 2nd amendment....it says right in it " a well REGULATED!!!!! militia"...

We need to stop the gun shows where ANYONE can get a gun....all guns should be registered..every one....and they can not be sold at shows etc....there should be a strict back round check for EVERYONE who wants to buy a gun....and that should include having to pass a mental heath exam....then every gun owner should have to have a mandatory gun safety course they must pass ( before getting the weapon) and should have to re-up the certificate every 5 years.....and each and every time ammunition is purchased it should be noted.....registered if you like.....and if you have to by excessive amounts you better have a damn good reason....and if you need to buy multiple guns...again better have a reason to justify it or you can't get them....if anyone is caught selling a gun illegally....sever punishment by law to both the seller and buyer.....controlling the amount of guns keeps them out of the hands of "bad people".....

I know some will say "that is taking away rights" ...my question is...how? I am not saying you can't have them....at all...and if you are a responsible gun owner and not a criminal....then why would you have a problem with ANY of these rules.....if your reason is "you can't trust the government" I'm sorry....paranoia like that should probably keep you from owning a gun/guns....the government is not perfect....but this is America...it's not a place where a crazed dictator is trying to make slaves of its people and run a military state....there are enough checks and balances to prevent such things....from EVER happening here....

As stated before...the 2nd amendment was written before we had police...a military and a national guard.... So I am sorry...it is out dated....

Again I believe in the right to have a gun....but it shouldn't be harder to get a drivers license or marriage license then it is to get a gun.....

And yes radical Islam.....Christian extremists...mentally ill people and criminals are part of the problem.....but the extreme easy access to guns is what makes it such a problem.....bad things will always happen...that we can't stop...but we could curb it somewhat by sensible rules and regulations....

I love my country....and I want to make it a safer place...and again...none of the suggestions I have made take away the right to own a gun.....

I know many people will disagree with me...and that's another thing I love about a free society....but I am just broken hearted by seeing another mass shooting everytime I see the news...

Steadmund Brand

[GUT]

Look....to me...and I know that I don't speak for anyone else is...the problem is easy gun accessibility.....legal or illegal....I am ALL FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN A GUN.....but I am also for STRICT rules......or REGULATIONS'...and for people who want to jump on me screaming 2nd amendment....it says right in it " a well REGULATED!!!!! militia"...

We need to stop the gun shows where ANYONE can get a gun....all guns should be registered..every one....and they can not be sold at shows etc....there should be a strict back round check for EVERYONE who wants to buy a gun....and that should include having to pass a mental heath exam....then every gun owner should have to have a mandatory gun safety course they must pass ( before getting the weapon) and should have to re-up the certificate every 5 years.....and each and every time ammunition is purchased it should be noted.....registered if you like.....and if you have to by excessive amounts you better have a damn good reason....and if you need to buy multiple guns...again better have a reason to justify it or you can't get them....if anyone is caught selling a gun illegally....sever punishment by law to both the seller and buyer.....controlling the amount of guns keeps them out of the hands of "bad people".....

I know some will say "that is taking away rights" ...my question is...how? I am not saying you can't have them....at all...and if you are a responsible gun owner and not a criminal....then why would you have a problem with ANY of these rules.....if your reason is "you can't trust the government" I'm sorry....paranoia like that should probably keep you from owning a gun/guns....the government is not perfect....but this is America...it's not a place where a crazed dictator is trying to make slaves of its people and run a military state....there are enough checks and balances to prevent such things....from EVER happening here....

As stated before...the 2nd amendment was written before we had police...a military and a national guard.... So I am sorry...it is out dated....

Again I believe in the right to have a gun....but it shouldn't be harder to get a drivers license or marriage license then it is to get a gun.....

And yes radical Islam.....Christian extremists...mentally ill people and criminals are part of the problem.....but the extreme easy access to guns is what makes it such a problem.....bad things will always happen...that we can't stop...but we could curb it somewhat by sensible rules and regulations....

I love my country....and I want to make it a safer place...and again...none of the suggestions I have made take away the right to own a gun.....

I know many people will disagree with me...and that's another thing I love about a free society....but I am just broken hearted by seeing another mass shooting everytime I see the news...

Steadmund Brand

Yep a big difference between a right for ordinary folk to wn guns and nut jobs.