Not Again

[Wickerman]

I've heard the pig story before but I'm pretty sure it's an urban myth.

I know the British did something similar in India to quell the riots. Instead of shooting at the rioters they threw buckets of manure at them, and they fled.
As for the pig story, I have no idea, I am passing on what I was told.

[GUT]

What is missing here for me at least is, where are those muslims who claim to be against ISIS?
There are some, mostly in Iran, but not enough to make a difference.

Arab countries have conveniently stepped aside to let the west take the brunt of the action. Arab countries have their own agendas with ISIS and the people who support them.

On a slightly different tack, on another forum I was talking with someone who had a suggestion, apparently this solution was applied years ago and it worked.

These muslims must be clean when they die or they will not ascend to their version of heaven with their seven virgins and eternal bliss, etc.
One country that was having trouble with muslim terrorists announced that in the future, all terrorists remains, their bodies or parts of bodies found will be buried with the remains of pigs.
That is your future should you continue to cause trouble.

Apparently, the trouble stopped.

It may be the case that in order to get the attention of these terrorists is to start speaking their language for a change, give them something to consider that they truly fear.

I've heard the pig story before but I'm pretty sure it's an urban myth.

[Wickerman]

What is missing here for me at least is, where are those muslims who claim to be against ISIS?
There are some, mostly in Iran, but not enough to make a difference.

Arab countries have conveniently stepped aside to let the west take the brunt of the action. Arab countries have their own agendas with ISIS and the people who support them.

On a slightly different tack, on another forum I was talking with someone who had a suggestion, apparently this solution was applied years ago and it worked.

These muslims must be clean when they die or they will not ascend to their version of heaven with their seven virgins and eternal bliss, etc.
One country that was having trouble with muslim terrorists announced that in the future, all terrorists remains, their bodies or parts of bodies found will be buried with the remains of pigs.
That is your future should you continue to cause trouble.

Apparently, the trouble stopped.

It may be the case that in order to get the attention of these terrorists is to start speaking their language for a change, give them something to consider that they truly fear.

[Robert]

Normally with nutters like this, they fall out and start fighting each other. So far that hasn't happened, although they are attacking the other terrorist psychopaths.

[Abby Normal]

in terms of ISIS, it really dosnt look like any other country is going to take the lead in defeating them. I was hoping if there was any silver lining in the lack of US leadership on this that someone else would step up to the plate. But they havnt and I doubt they will. Every country seems to just be doing there own thing and that is NOT going to do it.



Unfortunately it seems that we will sit here and wait for another 911 like attack by ISIS. Believe me, if they are not dealt with decisively-its coming.
They are probably planning it as we speak.

If I was president I would get a coalition of mid eastern and western countries and wipe Raqqa off the map. Cut the head off the snake and the body will die.

subsequently I would maintain the coalition in the region so that ISIS and other extremist groups like ISIS cant gain and grow in power or territory.

However, I would abandon the policy of deposing leaders(Saddam, quadaffi, Bashir etc) of mid eastern countries if they pose no real threat to outside world, US or allies.

[Patrick S]

Interesting thread. What's apparent is this: No one is changing anyone's mind. We are all married our ideologies. We've formed our opinions. For the most part, we'll all continue believing what we believe because, well, that's pretty much what people do. Its the same reason Muslim terrorists blow themselves up in order to strike a blow at the infidels. Its why we continue to make excuses for politicians we agree with and condemn those we don't, regardless of whose ideas make sense. Its what the media caters to. Its what politicians rely upon. Its why we are, collectively, simply sheep.

Its amazing to me how many discussions I have that almost immediately go to "yeah, but". If, for instance, I criticize Obama's actions and rhetoric with respect to terrorism with someone conditioned or predisposed to support him, I hear, almost as a first line of defense, "Yeah, but Bush would have......." As if this is somehow a justification. As if this is somehow raising the bar. As if this is somehow a positive. Is this the best we can do? Are these the highest expectations we can have? Sadly, I think so. Last night I was having a discussion with a few folks I serve on a board of directors with. The issue of Islamic terrorism came up and within seconds someone brought up Christians, the Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, all that. I finally said, "You realize this is not a competition. The question isn't which is worse, the Crusades or Muslim terrorists? The question is simple: Is the killing of civilians by ISIS, et al, justified? Is it right?" Amazingly, this was not a simple yes or no question. I had to ask it several times before I got, "Well....no. Of COURSE, it's not!" To which I then said, "Okay. Good. We agree. Then the discussion is simple. If it's WRONG, then it should be stopped. The terrorists aren't going to simply stop. So, the question is a very simple one: What are we willing to do to stop it? We can discuss that and have honest disagreement. That's fine. But, let's stop pretending there is more to it than that. We all agree it's wrong. Bush is not the bogey man. Obama is not the bogey man. CONGRESS is not the bogey man. This is not a discussion about who is worse, Bush or Obama. Democrats or Republicans. If you can't get past your political correctness, partisan convictions, guilt or self-loathing to even recognize that, then lets talk about the weather."

I knew I made decent point because there was a good six or seven second of silence....before it all started up again. BUSH! OBAMA! GUNS! CONGRESS!

[Abby Normal]

Yes, poor Lee Rigby was murdered with a cleaver and that was absolutely terrible. However, Lee AND a dozen bystanders weren't killed by two extremists using semi-automatic weapons either.

Of course people can be killed by pipe bombs, clubs, knives, machetes etc. However, with the exception of pipe bombs, these weapons aren't able to kill dozens of other human beings at the same time before the murderers are overpowered.

Yup. My point being is that's number of people killed by improvised bombs, clubs , knives etc. is minuscule compared to the the number of people killed by guns.

[Rosella]

Yes, poor Lee Rigby was murdered with a cleaver and that was absolutely terrible. However, Lee AND a dozen bystanders weren't killed by two extremists using semi-automatic weapons either.

Of course people can be killed by pipe bombs, clubs, knives, machetes etc. However, with the exception of pipe bombs, these weapons aren't able to kill dozens of other human beings at the same time before the murderers are overpowered.

[Robert]

Let's see these cowardly losers try to kill people with only a knife or club.
Aint happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

[Wickerman]

Even with gun control, they will still get guns, BUT it will make it harder and reduce the frequency.

With the US, this is perhaps the best that can be hoped for.

Just listening to that Trump idiot, first he calls Mexicans criminals & rapists, now he wants to ban all Muslims from the US.

Lets hope history is not repeating itself, this jerk is beginning to sound a lot like Hitler.
(sorry, off-topic)

[GUT]

IMHO all handguns and assault rifles should be illegal except for law enforcement and military.

Hunting rifles and shotguns I would keep legal for hunters and target shooters and antique guns for collectors. But I would make it very comprehensive to get the liscence.

Until this is done we will alwys have this insanity of large amounts of people getting killed by guns, and not just the mass killings we always hear about but the constant day to day killings.

It's not a terrorist issue a racism issue a mental health issue a socio economic issue etc. etc. yes these are contributing factors.

First and foremost It's a gun issue. And the ease of obtaining and prevalence of guns in this country.

Let's see these cowardly losers try to kill people with only a knife or club.
Aint happening.

Even with gun control, they will still get guns, BUT it will make it harder and reduce the frequency.

[Abby Normal]

IMHO all handguns and assault rifles should be illegal except for law enforcement and military.

Hunting rifles and shotguns I would keep legal for hunters and target shooters and antique guns for collectors. But I would make it very comprehensive to get the liscence.

Until this is done we will alwys have this insanity of large amounts of people getting killed by guns, and not just the mass killings we always hear about but the constant day to day killings.

It's not a terrorist issue a racism issue a mental health issue a socio economic issue etc. etc. yes these are contributing factors.

First and foremost It's a gun issue. And the ease of obtaining and prevalence of guns in this country.

Let's see these cowardly losers try to kill people with only a knife or club.
Aint happening.

[GUT]

Supreme Court won’t review laws banning assault weapons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ef3_story.html

Maybe they're just as nuts as the Senate.

[Steadmund Brand]

Right now the issue IS about terrorists. California has the strictest gun laws in the country.

The people killed in this case were killed by Muslim extremists.

Still I have received no answer about the pipe bombs, which terrorists are using in every country they are 'jihading' in, liberally.

You did receive an answer... when I said bad people will always do bad things... but you choose not to see that and only want to go on and on about guns..... yes pipe bombs can be made... and they will be... but again why does THAT make gun regulations wrong? seriously... and what about the vending machines that fall on people and kill them.... answer to that... more guns.... how about car accidents... what we need for that I bet is more guns as well.....and that damn cancer.... better loosen assault weapons rules so we can protect ourselvs from cancer......

Yes California has the "strictist gun laws" and yet these people ( and many others for that matter) are still able to get an arsenal of weapons.... that proves our point that even the "strict" states ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGH!!!!... it's not a right vs left issue.. a blue state vs red state... this is about PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY GUNS EVERY FEW SECONDS.... yes this time it was muslim extremists... and at planned parenthood a ( more than possibly) Christian extremist... and so on and so on.....

Steadmund Brand

[Beowulf]

Id say the real joke is that a few days ago Senate Republicans overwhelmingly blocked a gun control measure that would have prevented individuals on the terror watch list from legally buying guns in the US. They voted on it one day after the San Bernardino shootings.

Supreme Court won’t review laws banning assault weapons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-wont-review-laws-banning-so-called-assault-weapons/2015/12/07/b562678e-96fb-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html