Not Again

[Robert]

Jon, I haven't the figures to hand, but I doubt if many people have been killed in the US by law-abiding citizens opening fire on an attacker, missing him and hitting each other. Indeed the mystifying thing is, most Americans own guns but without having the slightest inclination, or even ability, to use them.

[GUT]

Just heard an attack in a tube station in England is being treated as a terrorist attack, but it was with a knife, maybe because guns aren't so readily available.

[Wickerman]

Oh, I don't know, Jon. A gun might have been needed here, if place were slow in turning up :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-shows-6962101

'A' gun, or 20 guns? (the suggestion was, everybody)
And how many bystanders are going to be hit in the crossfire?

Collateral damage?

Hows about allowing 'everyone' to carry a stun gun?
That seemed to arrest the problem in this case.

[GUT]

One guy being interviewed yesterday suggests the best way to stop this indiscriminate gun violence is, for everyone to carry a gun.

All these 'John Wayne wannabees' claim to need a gun for self protection.
Truth is, none of them would get the chance to use it.
Killers don't give a warning (heads up, I'm coming in guns blazing!) no, the first you know about it is when you hear the sound of shots.

Opposition to gun control is all about money, it has nothing to do with rights.

According to reports here a bloke in a nearby shop (over the road I think) had a gun but that didn't save anyone did it.

[Robert]

Oh, I don't know, Jon. A gun might have been needed here, if place were slow in turning up :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leytonstone-stabbing-gruesome-video-shows-6962101

[Wickerman]

Workplace violence with a supply of three thousand bullets-- nothing suspicious here, folks, move along. Meanwhile, we keep our heads down and listen to news reports on fighting back with scissors and staples in case of an active shooter at our offices. It's as stupid as the "Duck and Cover" drills we had when I was in grade school.

One guy being interviewed yesterday suggests the best way to stop this indiscriminate gun violence is, for everyone to carry a gun.

All these 'John Wayne wannabees' claim to need a gun for self protection.
Truth is, none of them would get the chance to use it.
Killers don't give a warning (heads up, I'm coming in guns blazing!) no, the first you know about it is when you hear the sound of shots.

Opposition to gun control is all about money, it has nothing to do with rights.

[GUT]

Yes, I saw some of the press conference today. FBI is working with local police authorities and allied agencies abroad. They found out that the wife had pledged alliegance to ISIS on her Facebook page. They're searching the home and trying to recover the couple's "digital footprints", though an effort seemed to have been made to shred documents and erase their computers. Stupid people. They have a very young baby, too.

And what a burden the poor kid will grow up with, unless they end up a lunatic like their parents.

[Pcdunn]

Yes, I saw some of the press conference today. FBI is working with local police authorities and allied agencies abroad. They found out that the wife had pledged alliegance to ISIS on her Facebook page. They're searching the home and trying to recover the couple's "digital footprints", though an effort seemed to have been made to shred documents and erase their computers. Stupid people. They have a very young baby, too.

[GUT]

I just hear the FBI is now saying it was an Act of Terrorism.

[Semper_Eadem]

This all makes me think the end times are coming soon because it sure looks like the world going to hell in a hand basket. Sometimes it feels like the hand basket is on fire.

Yes, the World as America isn't the only country with major problems. I recently started writing fiction again on FictionPress. Specifically a story of growing up gay in the bible belt in the early 90s which has tinted events to a certain perspective for me. I have been looking at a lot of newspapers, music videos, fashion mags from 1990-95 and trust me even then things were starting to come undone and people were treating each other like garbage and at the end of the day this type of anti-social behavior is going to be the result. Folks loosing their minds and going on a spree kill while the demons they had inside them from past hurts are working their way out.

[GUT]

Was there ever anything more pathetic than social media? Tweet, Watson. Unmitigated tweet.

I just don't get the whole Social Media thing?

"Guts having chips at mazzaries 4star restaurant"

"Gut's at Elton John" (Who I saw yesterday by the way)

"Gut's having a ....."

1. who gives a rats

2. Why do I want to tell everyone

(my turn for a rant).

[Fleetwood Mac]

One cast iron fact that we can all be sure about is that when it comes to setting up shop in other people's countries, Western nations hold court.

[Patrick S]

calm down, dude, you're putting word in my mouth that I didn't say.

what part of "I'm not 100% sure" don't you understand? I'm questioning things.
Radical Islam is as much a problem as far right extremism.
I suggest you get off your high horse and take a deep breath.


EDIT- it came to my mind that those events might have affected you in a very particular way, in that case, I apologize for my tone. My point is both sides of the spectrum are very much in a hurry to validate their own agenda. The fact that a label should be put on those events when they still unfold baffles me, that's where my comment about "crime" came from.

No need to apologize. My experiences are not yours and I don't expect you to think what I think. Argument is a wonderful thing. I come on too strong..pretty much all the time. I firmly believe that your opinions are YOURS. No right or wrong. Although, I state mine as if they are fact!

My wife lived in Saudi for a few years and I've spent time in Malaysia and a few other Muslim counties. So, I'm hyper-sensitive to things I judge as ill informed, etc.

[Patrick S]

calm down, dude, you're putting word in my mouth that I didn't say.

what part of "I'm not 100% sure" don't you understand? I'm questioning things.
Radical Islam is as much a problem as far right extremism.
I suggest you get off your high horse and take a deep breath.

Believe me. I'm not on a high-horse. I'm on the wrong horse altogether.

Further, I know that you actually MEANT to say that Radical Islam is a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH bigger problem than far right extremism. So, I won't quibble about you categorizing them as equals. I mean, we could get into a whole thing here and talk about what radical Islam is doing in the Middle East. We could talk about......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

and compare it to this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

And then we could talk about how any sane person could equate the two. But, I know you chose your words poorly. So I'll let it drop.

I'll take that deep breath now......

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Radicalized Muslim man and his radicalized Muslim wife kill a bunch of people at a Christmas party? Blame the bastards who oppose "gun control" and not the ideology that may have driven him to it. IGNORE that. Don't even pursue it! A crime is a crime. Who needs labels? Oh, unless the "lone wolf" crazy white guy listened to Rush Limbaugh or watched Fox News. Then it's okay to point fingers. If you recall the Gabby Giffords incident was blamed SQUARELY on Sarah Palin (for suggesting that voters 'target' Giffords seat in the next election). So, okay to blame Palin, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh....but hands off Allah, Islam, ISIS, et al. I mean, we must have the right, state-sanctioned opinions now, mustn't we?

This is, of course, nonsense. Wonderful sounding words that sound good to you because you figure you're being open-minded and wonderfully liberal. Of course it all means nothing.

Dylann Storm Roof was ACCURATELY called a white supremacist after he shot up the church in Charleston. Did you think it was wrong when - as a result - the confederate flag was removed from the SC statehouse grounds? I mean, Roof was just crazy, right? Why blame the confederacy? He was a lone wolf, after all. Shouldn't they put that confederate flag back up? Using your logic, we should DISMISS the 'racist' label as its applied to Roof and call it, simply, a crime.

calm down, dude, you're putting word in my mouth that I didn't say.

what part of "I'm not 100% sure" don't you understand? I'm questioning things.
Radical Islam is as much a problem as far right extremism.
I suggest you get off your high horse and take a deep breath.


EDIT- it came to my mind that those events might have affected you in a very particular way, in that case, I apologize for my tone. My point is both sides of the spectrum are very much in a hurry to validate their own agenda. The fact that a label should be put on those events when they still unfold baffles me, that's where my comment about "crime" came from.