Trump charged

[Fiver]

As for the 2020 election it was an utter farce. I do not take any notice of the courts deciding they were legitimate. I can point to thousands of historic US elections that were corrupt. However, at the time they were all quite legal.

In Michigan, the documents filed in the election fraud lawsuit weren't even run through a spell-checker. Their supposed election fraud expert claimed degrees from institutions that did not offer those degrees and alleged voter fraud in counties that did not exist in Michigan. In spite of months to file and clear and repeated information from the court on the deadline for filing claims, they failed to do so.

In Pennsylvania, the Secretary of the Commonwealth told counties that they could give people whose mail-in ballots had been rejected due to failing to sign or date the ballot a chance to correct ("cure") the ballots. Some counties did this; others did not. A few voters from counties that did not allow ballot curing sued the Secretary and the counties that did allow ballot curing. The judge ruled they were had a right to cure their ballots, but they were not suing the people who had denied them the right to vote - their own counties. The judge also rightly rejected their proposed remedy of throwing out all votes from Pennsylvania.

The court concluded "Prohibiting certification of the election results would not reinstate the Individual Plaintiffs' right to vote. It would simply deny more than 6.8 million people their right to vote."

The farce is the election fraud lawsuits.

[FISHY1118]

I guess we will just have to wait till election time .

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The thing I can’t understand is how anyone can defend this (Trump) lying, woman abusing, scamming, traitorous sh1t. It’s just beyond me how he convinces gullible idiots to support him.
We have a similar sh1t over here in the UK and we still haven’t managed to flush him either.

[jason_c]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/capitol-attack-police-officer-five-deaths

Besides, Ashley Babbit was a protester when she stood outside the Capitol and shouted "Stop the steal!". When she entered the Capitol, she became a trespasser of federal property. When she attempted to storm the speakers lobby inside the capitol, she became an active rioter. She was then warned by capitol police to "Get back! Get down! Get out of the way!" but she did not follow police instructions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt

She made a number of wrong decisions while carrying out a violent crime in the presence of armed police officers.

"U.S. Representative Markwayne Mullin (R-OK), a witness to Babbitt's attempted breach, said that Lieutenant Byrd "didn't have a choice" but to shoot, and that his action "saved people's lives".^[50][67]

The shooting was recorded on several cameras, and footage was widely circulated.^[68] John Earle Sullivan, among those who recorded footage of the shooting, was arrested for his role in the attack.^[69] Zachary Alam was also arrested for his role in the attack.^[70][71]"

So she was not a protester at the time of her death.



I assume you are referring to the George Floys protests in June 2020 in DC. There were no reports of crowds attempting to storm the White House.

The protesters had a grievance: A unarmed man was killed in police custody. And if you remember, that ws quite a regular occurence around that time and still is. You can say what you want but when someone is in police custody, the police are responsible for that person's life. If that person dies as a result of police actions, then the police failed in their job and in this case, the circumnstances were so egregious, that a part of population decided to protest against the ongoing police brutality at the one place that was at the time synonymous with tolerating/accepting/condoning/supporting racially motivated police brutality - the White House.

This is in contrast to Jan 6. The election boards did thier jobs. The judges did thier jobs (where there was insufficient evidence for a court challenge to the election result, the challenge was dismissed. In 64 out of 65 court cases, the only succes was where a challenge about the post-mark of mail-in votes in one state). The state electors did thier jobs and certified the correct winners. No, the only reason why there were deadly riots and a breach of a federal government building with explicit death threats on JAN 6 is because some red-necks did not like the outcome of an election.

Examples of proven death threats by Trump supporters on Jan 6:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/woman-who-screamed-death-threats-at-nancy-pelosi-on-jan-6-gets-over-2-years-in-prison

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-supporter-brendan-hunt-convicted-death-threat-democrats/2021/04/28/9a239624-a838-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/richard-barnett-self-proclaimed-white-nationalist-pictured-pelosi-desk-2021-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T

I am currently unaware of any confirmed threats to enter the White House and kill Donald Trump in DC in June 2020.

There is simply no equivalence to the depravity of the Jan 6 events and the June 2020 protests against police brutality.

No equivalence in depravity of J6 and the BLM riots? A number of people died in the June 2020 riots. I have seen at least one video that I can remember(there will be more) that will have left life changing injuries. When I say life changing I mean either left in a paraplegic state or close to it. Yet, no equivalency? I get it, you were in favour of the BLM movement. It still doesn't give them a clean slate to murder, maim and inflict carnage to already deprived areas.

As for the 2020 election it was an utter farce. I do not take any notice of the courts deciding they were legitimate. I can point to thousands of historic US elections that were corrupt. However, at the time they were all quite legal.

[Svensson]

Subverting the electoral process? Sheesh. Americans just love shooting each other. Not a single American 'defender of democracy' was killed on J6, the only victim in fact being a protestor.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/capitol-attack-police-officer-five-deaths

Besides, Ashley Babbit was a protester when she stood outside the Capitol and shouted "Stop the steal!". When she entered the Capitol, she became a trespasser of federal property. When she attempted to storm the speakers lobby inside the capitol, she became an active rioter. She was then warned by capitol police to "Get back! Get down! Get out of the way!" but she did not follow police instructions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt

She made a number of wrong decisions while carrying out a violent crime in the presence of armed police officers.

"U.S. Representative Markwayne Mullin (R-OK), a witness to Babbitt's attempted breach, said that Lieutenant Byrd "didn't have a choice" but to shoot, and that his action "saved people's lives".^[50][67]

The shooting was recorded on several cameras, and footage was widely circulated.^[68] John Earle Sullivan, among those who recorded footage of the shooting, was arrested for his role in the attack.^[69] Zachary Alam was also arrested for his role in the attack.^[70][71]"

So she was not a protester at the time of her death.

Oh, and you know for a fact what the rioters at the White House were trying to achieve? A more aggressive DOJ could plausibly say the rioters were intent on physically attacking the President, maybe even lynching him. An outrageous objective for these rioters. See, it's an all to easy game to overcharge an individual or group of your political opponents.

I assume you are referring to the George Floys protests in June 2020 in DC. There were no reports of crowds attempting to storm the White House.

The protesters had a grievance: A unarmed man was killed in police custody. And if you remember, that ws quite a regular occurence around that time and still is. You can say what you want but when someone is in police custody, the police are responsible for that person's life. If that person dies as a result of police actions, then the police failed in their job and in this case, the circumnstances were so egregious, that a part of population decided to protest against the ongoing police brutality at the one place that was at the time synonymous with tolerating/accepting/condoning/supporting racially motivated police brutality - the White House.

This is in contrast to Jan 6. The election boards did thier jobs. The judges did thier jobs (where there was insufficient evidence for a court challenge to the election result, the challenge was dismissed. In 64 out of 65 court cases, the only succes was where a challenge about the post-mark of mail-in votes in one state). The state electors did thier jobs and certified the correct winners. No, the only reason why there were deadly riots and a breach of a federal government building with explicit death threats on JAN 6 is because some red-necks did not like the outcome of an election.

Examples of proven death threats by Trump supporters on Jan 6:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/woman-who-screamed-death-threats-at-nancy-pelosi-on-jan-6-gets-over-2-years-in-prison

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-supporter-brendan-hunt-convicted-death-threat-democrats/2021/04/28/9a239624-a838-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/richard-barnett-self-proclaimed-white-nationalist-pictured-pelosi-desk-2021-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T

I am currently unaware of any confirmed threats to enter the White House and kill Donald Trump in DC in June 2020.

There is simply no equivalence to the depravity of the Jan 6 events and the June 2020 protests against police brutality.

[jason_c]

No, it is the crimes of using the power of presidential office to subvert the electoral process and causing a an uprising against an election result. As I said before, there are several countries in the world where Trump would already have had his appointment with the gallows or the sword for what he did.

Secondly, now that he HAS been indicted on at least 7 more criminal counts, it is important to maitain equal justice for allin the US. For too long did wealthy and politician get away crimes to enrich themselves and Trump was the worst of them all. In a law and order society, this has to end. "Due process" is whenever the autorities develop sufficient evidence that a crime plausibly hs been comitted and this is then presented to a grand jury and the grand jury agrees that there is sufficient evidence for a trial. This is all that has happened today. Trump will get his day in court like Joe Blogs or A.N. Other would.

Consider this: Trump's response to his indictment is:

"I have been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM," Trump wrote. "Inever thought it possible that such a thing could happen to a former President of the United States," (https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...true&r=US&IR=T)

Of coure he never thought it possible, because he is arrogant and demeted enough to believe he is above the law. Which is why he keeps pulling all these con jobs even after he left office or he defames sexual assault victims only hours after he has been found liable for defamation. And THAT'S why I said he needed to make an example of.

Get ready for a firehose of constant BS from the likes of Fox, Newsmax and Trump's supporters in the House for the next 18 months.

However, I give you this one: When the news broke, Erin Burnett on CNN was literally grinning from ear to ear when she was talking to Dana Bash.

Of course CNN is grinning ear to ear. Their entire business model is concerned with the circus surrounding Donald Trump. CNN haven't been this happy since the first Iraq war.

Subverting the electoral process? Sheesh. Americans just love shooting each other. Not a single American 'defender of democracy' was killed on J6, the only victim in fact being a protestor. Oh, and you know for a fact what the rioters at the White House were trying to achieve? A more aggressive DOJ could plausibly say the rioters were intent on physically attacking the President, maybe even lynching him. An outrageous objective for these rioters. See, it's an all to easy game to overcharge an individual or group of your political opponents.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Have you seen Page 1 of his statement?

"The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is “secured” by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time".

Jesus wept.

[Svensson]

Edit: Trump needs to be made an example of? This sounds awfully close to prosecuting the man not the crime.

No, it is the crimes of using the power of presidential office to subvert the electoral process and causing a an uprising against an election result. As I said before, there are several countries in the world where Trump would already have had his appointment with the gallows or the sword for what he did.

Secondly, now that he HAS been indicted on at least 7 more criminal counts, it is important to maitain equal justice for allin the US. For too long did wealthy and politician get away crimes to enrich themselves and Trump was the worst of them all. In a law and order society, this has to end. "Due process" is whenever the autorities develop sufficient evidence that a crime plausibly hs been comitted and this is then presented to a grand jury and the grand jury agrees that there is sufficient evidence for a trial. This is all that has happened today. Trump will get his day in court like Joe Blogs or A.N. Other would.

Consider this: Trump's response to his indictment is:

"I have been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM," Trump wrote. "Inever thought it possible that such a thing could happen to a former President of the United States," (https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...true&r=US&IR=T)

Of coure he never thought it possible, because he is arrogant and demeted enough to believe he is above the law. Which is why he keeps pulling all these con jobs even after he left office or he defames sexual assault victims only hours after he has been found liable for defamation. And THAT'S why I said he needed to make an example of.

Get ready for a firehose of constant BS from the likes of Fox, Newsmax and Trump's supporters in the House for the next 18 months.

However, I give you this one: When the news broke, Erin Burnett on CNN was literally grinning from ear to ear when she was talking to Dana Bash.

[jason_c]

Would you be able to provide a link the where the NYT are "cheering" the prosecution of Trump? I have a NYT subscribtion and I can not find it. And yes, I would be disappoint if they were "cheering" the (upcoming) prosecution because I'm paying them 8 quid a month to give me hard facts.

Besides, cheering trumps prosecution is my job. People like him need to go down to be made an example of for other slimeballs and political grifters.



the "NYT went to war with the nixon admin" is a mischaracterisation of what went on. the NYT started to print the first article based on the info stolen by Ellsberg and it was the Noxon Admin that obtained a court order to block any further articles. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...entagon_Papers). if anything, it is the Nixon admin that went to war wit hthe NYT (and lost following a supreme court decision).

The other thing is, how is the NYT (allegedly) cheering the prosecution of Trump opposed to them printing pentagon papers in 1971? I assume you are suggesting the NYT is hypocritical, no?

Cheers.

Difficult to get a link of the NYT cheerleading this prosecution as I am not a subscriber to its partizan offerings. I fully expect them to be in favour of this decision. A rag that received a Pulitzer for its coverage of Russiagate of all things, and btw refuses to give back its Pulitzer for denying a holocaust in Soviet Russia. One thing the US security state does well is over classify it's documents. I would think most media outlets would generally side with less documents being classified, yet here we are.

I did not say the NYT started a war with the Nixon admin. I said it went to war. I think you'll find it's casual usage for two sides who are at complete loggerheads.

Edit: Trump needs to be made an example of? This sounds awfully close to prosecuting the man not the crime.

[Svensson]

The NYT, of all papers, cheering on the prosecution of a President for such nothings.

Would you be able to provide a link the where the NYT are "cheering" the prosecution of Trump? I have a NYT subscribtion and I can not find it. And yes, I would be disappoint if they were "cheering" the (upcoming) prosecution because I'm paying them 8 quid a month to give me hard facts.

Besides, cheering trumps prosecution is my job. People like him need to go down to be made an example of for other slimeballs and political grifters.

The same NYT which went to war with the Nixon admin over Daniel Ellsberg and the newspaper's right to print the Pentagon Papers. The world has indeed turned upside down. Biden's DOJ is out on control. Today's print media; All the President's Mice.

the "NYT went to war with the nixon admin" is a mischaracterisation of what went on. the NYT started to print the first article based on the info stolen by Ellsberg and it was the Noxon Admin that obtained a court order to block any further articles. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...entagon_Papers). if anything, it is the Nixon admin that went to war wit hthe NYT (and lost following a supreme court decision).

The other thing is, how is the NYT (allegedly) cheering the prosecution of Trump opposed to them printing pentagon papers in 1971? I assume you are suggesting the NYT is hypocritical, no?

Cheers.

[jason_c]

Nothings? Theft of classified documents is a nothing? Obstruction of Justice is a nothing? Sexual assault is a nothing? Fraud is a nothing? Attempting to overturn lawful election results is a nothing? Inciting a riot is a nothing?

I remember Democrat cheerleaders bailing out rioters in the summer of 2020, some of whom tried to attack(and I presume enter) the White House. The situation became so serious the President had to be evacuated. However, I was specifically talking of the indictment concerning these documents. If you want a firefight about larger issues surrounding Trump & the Biden crime syndicate I'm happy to oblige, but I think that may derail the thread.

[Svensson]

correct. in MAGA-land, this is nothing unless you are Hilary Clinton in which case you need to be locked up. On planet earth, this could mean anything from 10-50 years in prison.

And then there is of course the constant lies about absolutely everything. Like there is a "standing order" to declassify anything he stuffs into a box and carries out of the White House. He really must be unbelievably stupid to think that we are that stupid to believe this crap.

[Fiver]

The NYT, of all papers, cheering on the prosecution of a President for such nothings. The same NYT which went to war with the Nixon admin over Daniel Ellsberg and the newspaper's right to print the Pentagon Papers. The world has indeed turned upside down. Biden's DOJ is out on control. Today's print media; All the President's Mice.

Nothings? Theft of classified documents is a nothing? Obstruction of Justice is a nothing? Sexual assault is a nothing? Fraud is a nothing? Attempting to overturn lawful election results is a nothing? Inciting a riot is a nothing?

[jason_c]

Trump Was Taped Discussing Sensitive Document He Had Kept After Leaving Office https://nyti.ms/3qivozN

More details about the recording recently discovered of Trump admitting he had a document related to war in Iran.

The NYT, of all papers, cheering on the prosecution of a President for such nothings. The same NYT which went to war with the Nixon admin over Daniel Ellsberg and the newspaper's right to print the Pentagon Papers. The world has indeed turned upside down. Biden's DOJ is out on control. Today's print media; All the President's Mice.

[Pcdunn]

Prosecutors Tell Trump’s Legal Team He Is a Target of Investigation https://nyti.ms/43viqNQ

It is official: The investigation in the classified documents handling misuse case is nearing its conclusion, and the DOJ is letting Trump know he is likely to be indicted on charges.

Thanks for sharing DJT's so very measured and truthful (sarcasm) reaction to this news. It was quite amusing!