Just where do we go from here?

[moonbegger]

that knowledge came from their Christian slaves.

Not according to Ancient Astronaut theorists !

moonbegger

[DVV]

In short, Muslim terrorism isn't so bad because Richard the Lionheart made his coming-out in Africa and nobody cared.

[Chris]

GO TO POST 3 -1st page-by me . There are many more examples throughout History.

There's no answer to my question there - only a bunch of similar assertions, equally without any evidence to back them up.

It's all very well saying there are examples from history of bad people taking over. There are examples from history of all kinds of things happening in all kinds of circumstances. The question is why you think that particular thing will happen in this case.

[DVV]

Not according to Ancient Astronaut theorists !

moonbegger

Ur right.

[Smoking Joe]

Okay.

The statement that "Islam is the enemy" is a bigoted statement, in that it is a narrow minded and biased view. It applies specifics to the general, as well as implying that they are the biggest and only problem we have going, both ideas being of debatable worth. "Certain followers of Islam are one of our enemies" would be a more factual statement.

about the bar being lowered on what is or is not a bigot, and since one of the major indicators of being a bigot is talking (or typing) like a bigot, my point is that part of not being seen as a bigot is choosing your words with care.But it doesn't matter because we aren't going to do the only thing we can do to alleviate the problems.

If Islam IS the enemy ,then saying" Islam is the enemy" is a truthful thing to say.It will be those who disagree that Islam is the enemy who will say that it is the view of a Bigot. Can I not say the person who called me a Bigot, is a Bigot by his/hers own definition of the word?
It doesnt bother me personally being called a Bigot,Ive been called much worse.And of course the words Bigot and racist have been thrown about so much that they dont really mean much any more .
As you rightly say,there will always be enemies, somebody will always hate,I accept that. But my issue is ,we have enemies, sure we kill some of them...but then we invite them into our backyards,pamper them,coddle them give them every opportunity,discriminate in their favour,and still they kill us.They take over neighbourhoods,erect their bloody mosques,have our police ***** footing around their warrens for fear of upsetting them,and as a final indignity force fed the govt message that the public just love multi culturalism.How would the government know-they never asked us!
I will say though,that Ive heard several interviews the last few days with Muslim leaders who condemn the atrocities.One even admitted that the Mosques,and Mullahs are to blame and Islam itself even.....so perhaps he is a Bigot too.

NO probs with the "train wreck" ......it happens all the time
One question though, What were you doing at KKK hq?Its not trick question ,Im just curious and intrigued.

[DVV]

My Chaldean pun fell flat, I'm afraid.

[Limehouse]

Phil H,
So you are gay, personally I say "so what-who cares?" Why you feel the need to tell others is another question. As for a gay person being discriminated against ,well.....others have rights too, to be indifferent to that fact, to treat others equally regardless of their sexuality,or to feel disgusted by it. The B&B owner (and I stress the word owner) in my view has the MORAL right to allow entrance ,refuse entrance to anyone. And of course that particular issue was not so much regarding gay people renting a room as regards sharing same bed.They were offered seperate beds. It was,quite possibly a manufactured incident ,as these two returned another time and tried again to involve B&B owners in a legal dispute. Gay marriage will Im sure face similar issues."why wont you (the vicar) marry me and fred in this church? its cos were gay isnt it? Im suing you!" Notwithstanding the supposed right of vicars not to marry people of same sex,this issue will become a hotbed of prosecutions, compensation claims by any number of "professional " opportunist "couples" out to make a fast buck. You want your rights,others want their rights,what happens when one persons rights impinge on anothers rights. Are we all to be the same? same views? same likes?
But as regarding the rights issues and Islam ,the creed you seem to so admire ,ask yourself this how long would you last if you were to stand outside a Mosque with a sparkler in your ass? Think of that before you have the temerity to imply,openly state or suggest that others on this site are Bigots.

The bit I have placed in bold will not happen. No church will be compelled to marry a gay couple.

Your last comments are crass, grossly offensive and full of ignorant, stereotypical misconceptions.

[Smoking Joe]

There's no answer to my question there - only a bunch of similar assertions, equally without any evidence to back them up.

It's all very well saying there are examples from history of bad people taking over. There are examples from history of all kinds of things happening in all kinds of circumstances. The question is why you think that particular thing will happen in this case.

Which particular thing is that?
Is there no answer to your question there?
What do you mean by answer?
Do you mean my answer wasnt satisfactory? Or do you mean my answer was a non-answer? What exactly do you mean?
Could you simplify your question so as I may understand?
What evidence do you require? Secret files from Muslim HQ?

[Limehouse]

Jonathan, are we to send troops to India too ?
Do you think it's fine to be a woman there ?
Just an example among many.
And many Iranian women did welcome Khomeyni in 1979, mind you.

Better preserve our culture in our countries.

It's not much fun for women in the Irish republic either. They are not allowed to control their own bodies in various ways. And for millions of Catholic women all over the world, who are denied the right to control their own reproductive systems.

In my own lifetime, soldiers and civilians were shot and killed by bombs. Innocent children were blown to pieces when out shopping for Mother's Day gifts. Followers of both the IRA and Loyalist factions were shot on their own doorsteps in front of their families. Certainly, there was misplaced hostility toward some Irish people living in the Uk, but I never heard anyone say Irish people should be prevented from entering the country. I never heard it stated that Catholicism or Protestantism should be outlawed or that these faiths constituted 'an enemy'.

[Smoking Joe]

The bit I have placed in bold will not happen. No church will be compelled to marry a gay couple.

Your last comments are crass, grossly offensive and full of ignorant, stereotypical misconceptions.

So you are not going to answer my question? I mean in the name of Tolerance as regards the peaceful Muslim community. You are beginning to sound like a Bigot.

[Smoking Joe]

My Chaldean pun fell flat, I'm afraid.

Ill bet it didnt.....I can almost hear the "report" buzzer from here

[DVV]

It's not much fun for women in the Irish republic either. They are not allowed to control their own bodies in various ways. And for millions of Catholic women all over the world, who are denied the right to control their own reproductive systems.

In my own lifetime, soldiers and civilians were shot and killed by bombs. Innocent children were blown to pieces when out shopping for Mother's Day gifts. Followers of both the IRA and Loyalist factions were shot on their own doorsteps in front of their families. Certainly, there was misplaced hostility toward some Irish people living in the Uk, but I never heard anyone say Irish people should be prevented from entering the country. I never heard it stated that Catholicism or Protestantism should be outlawed or that these faiths constituted 'an enemy'.

???
I've responded to Jonathan who wanted to invade Iran.
Comparing European women with the situation in Iran or India is just funny.
As for IRA, I've never heard they wanted to spread their Irish sharia all over the world.

[Chris]

Which particular thing is that?
Is there no answer to your question there?
What do you mean by answer?
Do you mean my answer wasnt satisfactory? Or do you mean my answer was a non-answer? What exactly do you mean?
Could you simplify your question so as I may understand?
What evidence do you require? Secret files from Muslim HQ?

Look:

http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=262007&postcount=116

I'm asking you to explain what exactly you mean by a statement in your own post, and to explain why you believe that.

And when I say there is no answer to my question in the other post you referred me to, I mean simply that there is no answer to my question in that post.

How could it be any simpler?

[Limehouse]

So you are not going to answer my question? I mean in the name of Tolerance as regards the peaceful Muslim community. You are beginning to sound like a Bigot.

You have not asked me a question.

[Limehouse]

???
I've responded to Jonathan who wanted to invade Iran.
Comparing European women with the situation in Iran or India is just funny.
As for IRA, I've never heard they wanted to spread their Irish sharia all over the world.

So, there are no Catholics in Africa?