Riiight

[Ally]

So much for having no interest in further discussion, huh?

Ally have you disavowed Biden?

He's done nothing to be disavowed for. He hasn't betrayed the country, or basic decency.

How about Bill and Hillary.

Bill Clinton is a manwhore and he used his power as a president of the united states to get easy ass in the White house. I consider him a pretty **** husband and I am also not unaware of how he betrayed the power dynamics of his office because he's a walking dick. And I disavowed him, for those actions. Hillary hasn't done ****, that requires disavowment, except have shitty taste in husbands.

What about the Democrat Eric Michael Swalwell who slept with the Chinese spy?

Who cares if he slept with 200 chinese spies, it's not a breach of national security unless he didn't keep his lips zipped with his actual zipper. He wasn't the only one who had ties to that spy, and when she was outed, he cut ties with her and fully cooperated with the investigation, so hardly the actions of a guilty man. ******* isn't crime.

Nancy Pelosi just got caught for insider trading any comment?

Yes, the comment is, No she didn't.

The list of Democrat scrubs is long.

Yeah and you can engage in whataboutisms all the live long day. They aren't the ones rioting and attempting to overthrow Democracy because they are fascists who just can't accept with good grace that they lost.

You do not even know what Trump supporters advocate for. I guess you feel all Trump supporters are racist. That is crazy.

You're right. Only 90 percent of them are racist and idiots. The rest are just pure idiots.

It has become the party of hate and division. The Democrats have become a bunch of hateful snobs who have lost the ability to coexist with anyone who disagrees with their worldview. I will never vote Democrat again.

LOL... they have lost the ability to coexist, they aren't the ones who are literally refusing to believe they lost and manufacturing all kinds of fantasy scenarios of persecution and turning the Cheeto Nazi into some worshipped cult figure.

In theory, I like socialism. Unfortunately, economic systems are ruined by human frailties. People govern economic systems and their short cummings destroy them. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's ironic that you say that, and yet you can't see that is exactly what's happened with the bullshit capitalist regime we're currently living under where people can't afford to pay rent because billionaries refuse to pay them a living wage, and Fox News blames migrants for minimum wage workers problems instead of the fact that literally BILLIONAIRES refuse to pay them enough to survive.

We can discuss socialized medicine and how horrible it would be. In theory, it is great every human being deserves health care. However, when the government gets involved and starts telling people they can't take this medication and they have to take this shot.

Right. But it's totally fine when it's an INSURANCE company telling you that you can't take this medication and you have to have that one. Then it's just ducky. Because a corporation has your best interest at heart.

When the government decides a person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and assistant suicide becomes a viable health care option.

As opposed to when an insurance company decides a person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and they just let you die instead which is the current viable health care option?

When death panels are formed and human life becomes devalued then socialized medicine, government-controlled health care becomes a problem.

Yeah y'all keep saying that crap, but it's happening in NONE of the countries where socialized medicine exists. You know where old people and young people are dying every day because they can't afford their medicine? Why right here in the United States of America. Such a better system. Dying at 40 because you can't afford insulin. FREEDOM!!!!

[celee]

"LOL... they have lost the ability to coexist, they aren't thiterally refusing to believe they lost and manufacturing all kinds of fantasy scenarios of persecution and turning the Cheeto Nazi into some worshipped cult figure"e ones who are l

Democrats went on for five years claiming President Trump was an illegitimate President and stole the election.

You commented Democrats do not tolerate corrupt politicians and then you make excuses for Democrat corrupt politicians. You are amusing.

"Who cares if he slept with 200 Chinese spies, it's not a breach of national security"

Are you joking? I think you are just trying to keep me amused. It is working. If President Trump has Russian vodka Democrats cry for impeachment. Talk about easy to blackmail. C'mon the guy was sleeping with a Chinese spy.

Biden "He's done nothing to be disavowed for. He hasn't betrayed the country or basic decency"

The same things you hate about President Trump and claim that everyone else should too are the same things Biden has been accused of. Biden has been accused of sexual assault. Biden has made several racist comments. Biden has lied to the American public. plagiarized other political figures and his family has business ties to Russia, China, and Ukraine.

Hillary hasn't done ****, that requires disavowment, except have shitty taste in husbands

You down Former President Trump for wishing Maxwell luck but it is okay for the Clinton's to have a close friendship with her. The Clinton foundation was very corrupt. Just ask the people of Hati and of course there is the whole destroying cell phones and emails that had been court-ordered to be turned over. Sounds a little bit like obstruction of justice.

"Yes, the comment is, No she didn't"

Yes she did and her son has some shady business deals.

"say that, and yet you can't see that is exactly what's happened with the bullshit capitalist regime we're currently living under where people can't afford to pay rent because billionaires refuse to pay them a living wage, and Fox News blames migrants for minimum wage workers problems instead of the fact that literally, BILLIONAIRES refuse to pay them enough to survive"

You obviously do not read my post. I posted that socialism in theory is the best system in my opinion. However, Capitalism is the economic system that gives the people the most freedom.

"Yeah and you can engage in whataboutisms all the live long day. They aren't the ones rioting and attempting to overthrow Democracy because they are fascists who just can't accept with good grace that they lost"

The hypocrisy is hysterical and the fact you seem to be totally unaware of it is priceless comedy. Democrats did not exactly lose with grace in 2016.

Other than being entertaining this discussion is going nowhere. So, let us just stop.


The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates.

Peace out.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates.

Peace out.

As a UK resident, I can honestly state that literally none of what you described applies to "socialised medicine".

[Ally]

Democrats went on for five years claiming President Trump was an illegitimate President and stole the election.

Really? Name one Democratic elected official who refused to accept Trump as president, once he was elected, who attended a Rally aimed at making him illegitimate and undermined the foundations of Democracy through riling up the demographic and spouting rhetoric about revolution. Oh right, you can't because it's horseshit.

You commented Democrats do not tolerate corrupt politicians and then you make excuses for Democrat corrupt politicians. You are amusing.

You not liking a politician, doesn't make them corrupt. There's a difference between doing something ILLEGAL, and something that you just don't philosophically agree with. The fact that Republicans don't actually see a difference between Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump, is proof you're just insane. Hillary Clinton, isn't a great human being. But the reason you hate her, is because she's a woman, and nothing else. That Benghazi bullshit? Pure nonsense. And the woman went to Congress and testified for dozens of hours when called to account for her actions. Where's your leaders testimony when being held to account for his actions? Oh right, he's running and hiding scared, because he can't withstand the scrutiny. THAT'S the difference. That's being held to account. Y'all should learn it, instead of hiding and running from it.

Are you joking? I think you are just trying to keep me amused. It is working. If President Trump has Russian vodka Democrats cry for impeachment. Talk about easy to blackmail. C'mon the guy was sleeping with a Chinese spy.

And do you think Trump HASN'T slept with a Russian spy? Who Trump ****s isn't the point in terms of his lack of suitability for his presidency. He's corrupt because he puts himself in compromising positions, repeatedly and has no accountability for them. When the Representative learned he'd been consorting with a possible spy, he went to the FBI, cooperated FULLY And gave testimony for hours. What does Trump do when there's a probe into his conduct? Oh right, deflect, dodge, refuse to cooperate and never, but never testifies. Tells a lot about the character of a man.

The same things you hate about President Trump and claim that everyone else should too are the same things Biden has been accused of. Biden has been accused of sexual assault. Biden has made several racist comments. Biden has lied to the American public. plagiarized other political figures and his family has business ties to Russia, China, and Ukraine.

Oh horseshit. Let's take this in turn. Trump was caught on tape BRAGGING about committing sexual assault. His own words out of his own mouth. There is literally ZERO doubt that he is guilty because he's proud and brags about doing. There is ZERO doubt in his case.

Biden was accused of sexual assault by one woman that even the Republicans said were lying because her story changed repeatedly about what happened. She was proven to be a liar about multiple instances in her own personal history that had nothing to do with Biden, but she'd manufactured for drama/effect, and could not maintain a consistent story as to either what Biden had done, and her story veered wildly all over the place, depending on which reporter she told it to.

What Biden IS guilty of, and which he has been rightly called out for, is being one of those annoying PEOPLE (and I know men and women), who have no sense of personal space and no sense of boundaries, who stand too close, who touch people's arms, who put a hand around your your shoulder, who are overly and intrusively personally affectionate. If you are a woman, and a man does this to you, it can feel like sexual intimidation, but since Biden does it to men and women alike, it's not a sexual harassment thing, it's a boundary thing, which he has been called out on, and which he should apologize for and quit the **** doing. But that's not sexual harassment. That's a lack of recognition that people have different personal boundaries.

You down Former President Trump for wishing Maxwell luck but it is okay for the Clinton's to have a close friendship with her.

You understand the difference between wishing someone well when they are on trial for sex trafficking children and being friends with someone BEFORE you KNOW They are sex trafficking children, right? You are not responsible for everything your friends and pals do. You are responsible for what you do, once you know the kind of person your friends are. If you stand by your friends accused of grooming and raping children, there's a difference my dude.

Once again, the fact that you Republicans don't actually see a difference, is troubling. You don't know what your pals get up to at night. But once you do, it reflects on you. The Clintons didn't go "Good Job Giselle! Beat the System!" when the news came out.

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he Clinton foundation was very corrupt. Just ask the people of Hati and of course there is the whole destroying cell phones and emails that had been court-ordered to be turned over. Sounds a little bit like obstruction of justice.

LOL... yeah I know, that DOJ inquiry led by Trump that was going to PROVE once and for all that Hillary and the foundation was SOOO Corrupt. Lock her UP! LOCK HER UP! Ended up fizzling just like that Mexican built wall. You'd think a criminal probe spearheaded by the man who promised to put her in jail would have found something. Shocking.

Y'all dumbasses will believe anything.

Yes she did and her son has some shady business deals.

Oh well I mean who can argue with facts like that. But are we going to start bringing Trumps children into it, and holding him accountable for what they do? Because that could be a party.

You obviously do not read my post. I posted that socialism in theory is the best system in my opinion. However, Capitalism is the economic system that gives the people the most freedom.

LOL... the freedom to work til they're 80, die in poverty if something doesn't kill them because they can't afford basic necessities, sure, Freedom.

The hypocrisy is hysterical and the fact you seem to be totally unaware of it is priceless comedy. Democrats did not exactly lose with grace in 2016.

They didn't throw a tantrum, break down the halls of the Capitol and literally **** on Democracy. Their elected leaders didn't throw tantrums and refuse to accept the election because they were such fascists they couldn't accept their defeat. They went on with their lives, and weren't banging on two years later going CLINTON WON! Clinton accepted her defeat with dignity. The fact that millions of people were appalled that our country was being represented by a baboon in a diaper isn't because he's a Republican, it's because he's barely got the DNA to qualify as human.

Other than being entertaining this discussion is going nowhere. So, let us just stop.

You've said multiple times you were doing so. Like most Republicans, you lie. A lot.

The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates.

LOL... yeah "not being ALLOWED" to prescribe certain treatments instead, they're being FORCED to prescribe HORSE PILLS, Once again, you're so cowardly afraid of socialism that you're supporting fascism. When doctors quit because they're tired of the disrespect, when nurses flee in masse because they're sick of this ****, it's not going to be socialism to blame. It's going to be capitalism. The system that treats the worker like disposable garbage backed up by fascist republicans who treat corporations like kings.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As a UK resident, I can honestly state that literally none of what you described applies to "socialised medicine".

Absolutely

[Herlock Sholmes]

The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates

As opposed to privatised systems where doctors can be tempted by backhanders agents of pharmaceutical companies.

Ive never understood why some have such a big issue with any attempt to ensure that everyone gets decent access medical treatment?

[celee]

People are just not honest on this board. They desperately try to defend their arguments with stupid rhetoric. Ally go back and read your post and then read mine again. You contradict yourself. You make outlandish assumptions to support your arguments. It is not interesting anymore. boring Bye.

Herlock and Al I seem to remember a heartbreaking story in England where the courts took away the rights of a couple to seek treatment for their baby. The couple wanted to take their son to France for some type of treatment that the Doctors in England refused to give because they felt the baby was terminal and it would not be in the child's best interest. I think the baby died in the mother's arms. The child's name was Alfie.

[Ally]

People are just not honest on this board. They desperately try to defend their arguments with stupid rhetoric. Ally go back and read your post and then read mine again. You contradict yourself. You make outlandish assumptions to support your arguments. It is not interesting anymore. boring Bye.

Herlock and Al I seem to remember a heartbreaking story in England where the courts took away the rights of a couple to seek treatment for their baby. The couple wanted to take their son to France for some type of treatment that the Doctors in England refused to give because they felt the baby was terminal and it would not be in the child's best interest. I think the baby died in the mother's arms. The child's name was Alfie.

And? Because you can point to a single instance of something happening overseas that you BELIEVE is bad, you hang your hat on that and ignore the several dozen people dying every day in this country because they cannot afford medication. Parents who are in straight up denial about what is medically possible and subjecting their children to torture isn't ETHICAL. Do you support the right of parents to starve their children because Jesus says to? Beat them to death because the Bible says Spare the rod and spoil the child? A parents right to do whatever they want with their child, because its THEIR CHILD is not absolute. A parent's insanity is not the end all and be all when it comes to a child's best interest. And you are delusional to think that's an argument that wins anything. You ignore the part that the Italian hospital that they wanted to move the child to, had ALSO concluded there was no hope for their child. The parents were delusional.

[Herlock Sholmes]

People are just not honest on this board. They desperately try to defend their arguments with stupid rhetoric. Ally go back and read your post and then read mine again. You contradict yourself. You make outlandish assumptions to support your arguments. It is not interesting anymore. boring Bye.

Herlock and Al I seem to remember a heartbreaking story in England where the courts took away the rights of a couple to seek treatment for their baby. The couple wanted to take their son to France for some type of treatment that the Doctors in England refused to give because they felt the baby was terminal and it would not be in the child's best interest. I think the baby died in the mother's arms. The child's name was Alfie.

And that was a decision made by doctors for medical reasons. Are any of us qualified to comment on medical issues? I’m certainly not. The doctors felt that the baby couldn’t be cured based on medical knowledge.

Speaking as an Englishman though I can tell you that across the board including those on the left and those on the right you will be hard pressed to find anyone over here that doesn’t consider the National Health Service one of our finest achievements and it was achieved by a Socialist government. Like all countries we have things to be proud of and stuff not to be proud of but the NHS is universally revered here. It’s not perfect of course (because it’s run by fallible human beings) but it’s worthy of celebration as an achievement. No one here thinks that if you don’t have cash then tough.

Ill tell what many of my older family members certainly do remember though Celee, it’s their parents not being able to send for a Doctor because they didn’t have cash to pay. How many people died from lack of treatment because they couldn’t afford it? How many illnesses went undiagnosed? How many babies died? Now everyone gets health treatment from the Prime Minister (or Idiot as most of us call him) down to someone sleeping rough.

If anyone does decry the NHS it’s always, and I mean always, someone who is a) on the right, and b) comfortably off financially……so basically it’s “I’m alright Jack.”

[rjpalmer]

Fun Fact: George Washington forced his troops to be inoculated. They had no choice in the matter.

America was founded, in part, on a medical mandate.

George Washington and the First Mass Military Inoculation (John W. Kluge Center, Library of Congress) (loc.gov)

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[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n778492]

And that was a decision made by doctors for medical reasons. Are any of us qualified to comment on medical issues? I’m certainly not. The doctors felt that the baby couldn’t be cured based on medical knowledge.

Do not you feel the parents should have the final say on if their child would be treated or not? Alfie had parents that were willing to take him to France. What right does the government have to step in? Honestly, America cried for Alfie. The government should never be allowed to tell a parent that they can't provide the medical care they feel their child deserves. It is outrageous. like I posted before socializing medicine, in theory, is good. Everyone deserves health care but it is a slippery slope. I read that in Finland Doctors have the right to euthanize covid patience without family consent. I think that is disgusting. President Reagan has a famous quote. "The scariest words are “I’m from the Government and I’m here to help.” So true.

[celee]

Fun Fact: George Washington forced his troops to be inoculated. They had no choice in the matter.

America was founded, in part, on a medical mandate.

George Washington and the First Mass Military Inoculation (John W. Kluge Center, Library of Congress) (loc.gov)

That is very interesting RJ

Gen. Washington made the controversial decision to order the mass inoculation of his soldiers, an effort to combat spread of the disease that was at the time a major deterrent to enlistments and posed the risk of debilitating his army.

[Ally]

Do not you feel the parents should have the final say on if their child would be treated or not? Alfie had parents that were willing to take him to France.

No and no. Who cares if his parents were willing to take him to ITALY, see you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. If parents are willing to take their kids to the middle of the desert to participate in a ritual that's going to kill them does that mean they have the right? No, it doesn't. Parents don't have the final say, just because they birthed the damn kid. When the parents are delusional dumbasses, who don't know what the hell they are talking about their opinions should absolutely NOT override medical wishes. Like the imbeciles who want to feed their kids diets that make them malnourished, should they have the final say? NO. Just because they are parents, doesn't mean they get to do whatever the hell they want with their kid. The kid has rights to, and the right not to be tortured just because they have idiots for parents is one of those rights.

What right does the government have to step in?

The right to protect children from idiots like you who apparently think parents have the right to abuse their children because they are parents.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I agree with everything Ally said in post #73 but I just wanted to point out, in case anyone misunderstands, the first part that’s been attributed to me was actually a quote from celee. I know that Ally knows this but I just thought I’d point it out in case anyone else thought it confusing. It’s just a typing error.

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No and no. Who cares if his parents were willing to take him to ITALY, see you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. If parents are willing to take their kids to the middle of the desert to participate in a ritual that's going to kill them does that mean they have the right? No, it doesn't. Parents don't have the final say, just because they birthed the damn kid. When the parents are delusional dumbasses, who don't know what the hell they are talking about their opinions should absolutely NOT override medical wishes. Like the imbeciles who want to feed their kids diets that make them malnourished, should they have the final say? NO. Just because they are parents, doesn't mean they get to do whatever the hell they want with their kid. The kid has rights to, and the right not to be tortured just because they have idiots for parents is one of those rights.



The right to protect children from idiots like you who apparently think parents have the right to abuse their children because they are parents.

Ally this is the last time I am corresponding with you. I worry about your mental health. The parents do have rights. I know liberals hate that but that is the way it goes. Obviously, a Doctor in ITALY was willing to treat the baby. The parents who probably are Christians, I know liberals hate that, wanted to give their child every chance to live maybe they even prayed to God, I bet your head is about to explode. There is a big difference between wanting to fight for the life of your child and abusing the child. The fact that you would compare the two is bizarre and says a lot about your character. I understand that you like to argue. You like to insult people it is what you do. I do not enjoy that type of discussion. I like to have polite thoughtful intelligent discussions you are incapable. Your arguments are nonsense and incoherent.