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[Ally]

Everything you post on this subject does not mean anything to me. I have no wish to argue with you. I have no wish to convince you.

You say that, then you go on a twenty paragraph rant immediately proving the opposite. Anyone notice how these people can't refrain from being dishonest and non-hypocritical for two whole minutes? They can't maintain internal, logical consistency within the space of a single post, yet they get a vote. Baffling. And why democracy is doomed. Dimwits get a vote too.

I live in America. I am living the Democrate nightmare. Super inflation, horrible job reports.

LOL, every time there's a republican president the economy crashes and then the Democrat coming in gets blamed for the resulting mess. It's your playbook. This nightmare is a direct result of the preceding Republican presidents idiotic handling of several world crisis. Just like Obama had to clean up Bush's housing crisis catastrophe and so on. Also, the problems we are currently facing are a direct result of destabilizing that went on in the Reagan administration. So, horseshit, entirely.

Border crisis.

There is no border crisis. This is manufactured hysteria to scare people who are racist dimwits into panic. People have been coming here illegally since the Mayflower, darling. Ain't no new thing. Someone needs to pick your food supply. God knows rednecks aren't doing their fair share of the work anymore. Sitting on their asses collecting their government checks while complaining about welfare and socialism.

Energy crisis.
Covid crisis. Russia threatening Ukraine. China threatens Taiwan.

I would love to hear how you justify these as being Democrats to blame, ESPECIALLY the Covid crisis but you know, I'm assuming it's insanity, so why bother.

Afghanistan disaster.

You mean that disaster of a war that a Republican president got us into because he wanted to prove his balls were bigger than his former president daddy's balls? That one?

America has never been in worst shape.

I agree. Largely due to ****wits trying to destroy democracy and tear it down like Trump and his followers who LITERALLY attempted to overthrow the Capitol. But yeah, sit there and PRETEND you give two shits about democracy while supporting a moronic oligarch who attempted to bring it all down.

Polls show that former President Trump is more popular than Joe Biden. Your support of Biden would put you in the minority here in America.

LOL, such lies. Trump didn't even win the popular vote, even when he won the presidency. I bet that chaps his ass.

Every American politician is corrupt. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So, I like to discuss policies rather than individual candidates because claiming Biden and Hillary have any moral character is laughable.

Right but the lying rapist, he's got moral character, despite not following through with a single promise he made during his campaign. That border crisis you're banging on about it being the Democrats fault. Wasn't Mexico going to pay for a wall to be built? Where is that again?

I like Republican policies. I like secure borders.

You like them secured by Russia? And china? Which your Republicans sold us and our safety out to, time and time again, in massive cash grabs?

The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th.

No, they didn't.

There is a huge difference between not having evidence and Judges refusing to hear the evidence of election fraud. The vast majority of the court cases filed were dismissed because the court ruled the plaintiffs had no standing.

Yeah like where Texas tried to sue Pennsylvania because they don't like how Pennsylvania does their elections? So much for believing in State's Rights. Apparently Republicans only believe in States Rights, when it goes their way. But that's interesting don't you think? How many people who sued who don't have standing to sue. Why not have someone who does have standing sue if there's so much evidence? Huh? I mean, if the evidence is THERE, why aren't qualified people suing?

Gee..... let's not think too hard about that one. Just bakes your already poached brain.

Election laws were changed illegally to allow mass mail in voting and limit voter identification. Those are facts.

No they weren't changed illegally. I've been voting by mail for ten years, never been a problem til all of a sudden Republicans realize they're losing. And now, we want to start limiting people's right to vote. Funny how that works. Why exactly do you think we should be making it DIFFICULT to vote in this country? Why do you think there should be all these barriers? Funny how the only PROVEN cases of fraud have been Republicans filling out ballots for Trump. Funny how what you guys keep accusing the OTHER side of doing, is what y'all keep getting caught doing over, and over. Me thinks you girls are protesting too much.

What good has the Biden administration done for America?

Truthfully, he's done **** all yet. But what he hasn't done is humiliate us over and over again on the World Stage like Trump did for four years, we aren't a total laughingstock anymore and that's a win. That's all I'm aiming for anymore, not to be totally embarassed by the dumbass holding the highest office in the land.

Americans love freedom. Our country was built on the principles of a free society.

Americans love freedom but they also used to recognize that with Freedom came personal responsibility and a sense of greater community. Which is now lost. Now it's all about YOUR rights, not your responsibilities, and THAT is why America is lost. You people banging on about how the Democrats are the great evil don't even understand what America was actually built on, and what it actually means. You are slaves to a blinkered mentality. You have no clue what freedom is, you haven't been free in years.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I know nothing about USA politics so I won’t add to the thread apart from this post. I have little time even for UK politicians. But the only comment that I’ll make is that every single time without fail that I’ve seen or read about dangerously bat***t crazy USA conspiracy theorists talking about the most deranged of theories and giving the most insane opinions on what’s ‘wrong’ with the USA they are always Republicans. These people are genuinely scary. And every single one of them treats the certifiable lunatic Trump as if he’s some kind of messiah. I find it bizarre that some don’t see this as an issue. I wouldn’t have voted for Trump even if the alternative was a man claiming to be George Washington’s horse.

[Varqm]

The Republican anti-vaxxers.Its about science.Science is a standard,test,experoment,analyze,repeat over and over.
It brought us vaccines (cholera,smallpox) hospitals,electricity,cars,phones,etc.,as soon they use any of these they believe in science and they are being frauds. Where are the mass of people getting negatively affected by the vaccines? Law\freedom and science are equally important, if you don't believe in science,live in caves and use smoke signals to communicate.
Republicans are frauds.

[Varqm]

You say that, then you go on a twenty paragraph rant immediately proving the opposite. Anyone notice how these people can't refrain from being dishonest and non-hypocritical for two whole minutes? They can't maintain internal, logical consistency within the space of a single post, yet they get a vote. Baffling. And why democracy is doomed. Dimwits get a vote too.




LOL, every time there's a republican president the economy crashes and then the Democrat coming in gets blamed for the resulting mess. It's your playbook. This nightmare is a direct result of the preceding Republican presidents idiotic handling of several world crisis. Just like Obama had to clean up Bush's housing crisis catastrophe and so on. Also, the problems we are currently facing are a direct result of destabilizing that went on in the Reagan administration. So, horseshit, entirely.





There is no border crisis. This is manufactured hysteria to scare people who are racist dimwits into panic. People have been coming here illegally since the Mayflower, darling. Ain't no new thing. Someone needs to pick your food supply. God knows rednecks aren't doing their fair share of the work anymore. Sitting on their asses collecting their government checks while complaining about welfare and socialism.



I would love to hear how you justify these as being Democrats to blame, ESPECIALLY the Covid crisis but you know, I'm assuming it's insanity, so why bother.

You mean that disaster of a war that a Republican president got us into because he wanted to prove his balls were bigger than his former president daddy's balls? That one?



I agree. Largely due to ****wits trying to destroy democracy and tear it down like Trump and his followers who LITERALLY attempted to overthrow the Capitol. But yeah, sit there and PRETEND you give two shits about democracy while supporting a moronic oligarch who attempted to bring it all down.



LOL, such lies. Trump didn't even win the popular vote, even when he won the presidency. I bet that chaps his ass.




Right but the lying rapist, he's got moral character, despite not following through with a single promise he made during his campaign. That border crisis you're banging on about it being the Democrats fault. Wasn't Mexico going to pay for a wall to be built? Where is that again?




You like them secured by Russia? And china? Which your Republicans sold us and our safety out to, time and time again, in massive cash grabs?




No, they didn't.





Yeah like where Texas tried to sue Pennsylvania because they don't like how Pennsylvania does their elections? So much for believing in State's Rights. Apparently Republicans only believe in States Rights, when it goes their way. But that's interesting don't you think? How many people who sued who don't have standing to sue. Why not have someone who does have standing sue if there's so much evidence? Huh? I mean, if the evidence is THERE, why aren't qualified people suing?

Gee..... let's not think too hard about that one. Just bakes your already poached brain.




No they weren't changed illegally. I've been voting by mail for ten years, never been a problem til all of a sudden Republicans realize they're losing. And now, we want to start limiting people's right to vote. Funny how that works. Why exactly do you think we should be making it DIFFICULT to vote in this country? Why do you think there should be all these barriers? Funny how the only PROVEN cases of fraud have been Republicans filling out ballots for Trump. Funny how what you guys keep accusing the OTHER side of doing, is what y'all keep getting caught doing over, and over. Me thinks you girls are protesting too much.





Truthfully, he's done **** all yet. But what he hasn't done is humiliate us over and over again on the World Stage like Trump did for four years, we aren't a total laughingstock anymore and that's a win. That's all I'm aiming for anymore, not to be totally embarassed by the dumbass holding the highest office in the land.




Americans love freedom but they also used to recognize that with Freedom came personal responsibility and a sense of greater community. Which is now lost. Now it's all about YOUR rights, not your responsibilities, and THAT is why America is lost. You people banging on about how the Democrats are the great evil don't even understand what America was actually built on, and what it actually means. You are slaves to a blinkered mentality. You have no clue what freedom is, you haven't been free in years.

Good points.

[Svensson]

"The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th."

"No, they didn't"

Ah good one. I missed that amongst all that gishgallopping...

celee, where did you get that one from? Do you have a source? It doesn't pass the most basic snifftest.

Cheers.

[Svensson]

And right on cue:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/oathkeeper-rhodes-arrested-doj/index.html

"Seditious conspiracy charges"

[Ally]

"The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th."

"No, they didn't"

Ah good one. I missed that amongst all that gishgallopping...

celee, where did you get that one from? Do you have a source? It doesn't pass the most basic snifftest.

Cheers.

My guess is he's going to point to a news article by Reuters, where four anonymous sources from "former" and current FBI officials say that the FBI concluded there was no organized attempt.

But that's far different than the FBI actually making such a conclusion, and of course, in my opinion, FBI officials would leak "news" that considering it was a breach of national security that the FBI completely and totally fell on their face in preventing. Everybody knew it was coming, the FBI completely pissed themselves that day.

Let's not forget, if those had been black men storming the Capitol, they'd have been shot before they ever hit the steps. The difference in how a Black Lives Matter Rally is treated in the Capitol versus a Racist White Trump rally is staggering. Because they were white rioters and looters, they were allowed to breach the defenses without a single cop firing a damn bullet til they were literally breaking down the door of the assembly room. And Trump sat on his bloated, incompetent ass and did nothing. Because that's what he's best at.

[Svensson]

Ok, so Oath Keepers have been charged with seditious conspiracy. How big is that conspiracy? Well, we have one of Donald Trump's goons right in the middle

https://www.businessinsider.nl/6-oath-keepers-extremists-who-guarded-roger-stone-before-the-capitol-riot-joined-the-siege-ny-times-report/

[celee]

Sxensson The Oath Keepers have made several videos denouncing Donald Trump and have marched at BLM rallies. I believe they were the anarchist group involved in the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. 12 of the 24 conspirators were either FBI agents or informants. LOL, I really do not care. If the Qath Keepers were involved in a plot to overthrow the government then they all should go to jail. Nobody is claiming that right-wing and left-wing anarchist groups were not leading the riot. However, they are not Trump supporters. Those extreme groups are anti-government. President Trump authorized 20,000 National Guard troops two days before the January 6th event. Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of Washington turned the troops down. President Trump had nothing to do with any insurrection. like I have posted several times all liberals have is Trump-bashing and fake anti-Trump narratives. I live in the now. Nothing will come from any insurrection investigation. Just like all the other false narratives over the past five years, the insurrection investigation will fall apart too and Trump haters will forget all about it. Joe Biden now has a 33% approval rating Democrat policies are failing. The vast majority of Americans are rejecting progressive ideas. The Democrat establishment wants to keep the focus on insurrection and away from their failing policies. Trump is no longer President. I am no longer concerned with him. He is not a boogie man or Jack the Ripper. He poses no threat to America. He has not even announced he is running in 2024 and some people are obsessed with him. He probably will not even run for President again. Not one Democrat that has engaged me about politics wishes to discuss the current administration and Democrat policies. the discussion is always the same. Orange man bad.

[FISHY1118]

Sxensson The Oath Keepers have made several videos denouncing Donald Trump and have marched at BLM rallies. I believe they were the anarchist group involved in the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. 12 of the 24 conspirators were either FBI agents or informants. LOL, I really do not care. If the Qath Keepers were involved in a plot to overthrow the government then they all should go to jail. Nobody is claiming that right-wing and left-wing anarchist groups were not leading the riot. However, they are not Trump supporters. Those extreme groups are anti-government. President Trump authorized 20,000 National Guard troops two days before the January 6th event. Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of Washington turned the troops down. President Trump had nothing to do with any insurrection. like I have posted several times all liberals have is Trump-bashing and fake anti-Trump narratives. I live in the now. Nothing will come from any insurrection investigation. Just like all the other false narratives over the past five years, the insurrection investigation will fall apart too and Trump haters will forget all about it. Joe Biden now has a 33% approval rating Democrat policies are failing. The vast majority of Americans are rejecting progressive ideas. The Democrat establishment wants to keep the focus on insurrection and away from their failing policies. Trump is no longer President. I am no longer concerned with him. He is not a boogie man or Jack the Ripper. He poses no threat to America. He has not even announced he is running in 2024 and some people are obsessed with him. He probably will not even run for President again. Not one Democrat that has engaged me about politics wishes to discuss the current administration and Democrat policies. the discussion is always the same. Orange man bad.

I have to agree with the last sentence , democrats never ever discuss Biden and his failed policies, this was evident leading right up to the week of the election , there was so much stuff the msm just refused to talk about or report on about Biden and his family . Alll they wanted to do was rubbish trump.

[celee]

President Trump is not responsible for the highest inflation numbers in 40 years. He is not responsible for low job numbers. He is not responsible for the energy crisis. Democrat policies are. President Biden shut down the pipelines, ended fracking, brought back all the regulations that President Trump ended. America was energy independent and an exporter of energy. We definitely have a crisis at our Southern border. Border crossings are up 400% Maybe the 33% of Americans who approve of the Biden administration feel the border crisis is manufactured nonsense and anyone who opposes open border is a racist. Okay, fair enough. I can not debate an opinion. Democrats always claim the Republicans mess up the economy. However, that argument does not hold up in this instance because Republicans can point out horrible Democrat policy decisions that have led directly to the economic collapse. I do not think it has ever been clearer. That is why both the Vice President and President have such low approval ratings. Record low.

Honestly, I believe that Trump hysteria fuels the interest in Trump. Trump haters are their own worst enemy. Trump is all CNN talks about and their ratings have declined by 90% I do not think people love Trump but they are tired of Trump-bashing and story after story turning out to be false.

Republicans are not against vaccines. The Biden administration claims 70% of Americans have at least taken one shot. I am sure some Republicans have been vaccinated and I am sure some Democrats are among the unvaccinated. It is not the official position of the Republican party to not be vaccinated. As a matter of fact, President Trump has been one of the biggest cheerleaders for the vaccines.

Joe Biden has been an embarrassment on the world stage. At the very least no world leader respects the President. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive? Russia never would be threatening Ukraine if Trump was still President and China would not be threatening Taiwan. It is true that a Republican President got us into Afghanistan but President Biden's exit plan was a disgrace. It seems like simple logic. The President should not have pulled the troops out until everyone who needed to be evacuated was brought home. Blaming George Bush for Biden's disaster exit plan is like leaving the ice cream on the table and blaming the person who bought the ice cream for the mess.

There was no plot to overthrow the government. There probably was a plan by some extreme groups to cause a riot. I feel it was a protest, with a massive crowd, that got out of hand like so many protests over the summer of 2020.

[Ally]

Before I get into your latest batch of utter nonsense, I just want to point out that you haven't addressed any points given just continue to stomp your feet with with your fingers in your ears, and go NO NO NO like a toddler having a tantrum. Like most Trump supporters. Tedious.

President Trump is not responsible for the highest inflation numbers in 40 years.

Not solely, no. But his completely idiotic and moronic response to the first year of the pandemic didn't help. He has a huge part in causing the economic **** show that we are currently experiencing and his hands off policy directly contributed to a million people being too dead to be in the workforce. Not to mention all the people who will be suffering from long-term effects of Covid.

He is not responsible for low job numbers.

No that's a direct response of Republican policies and trickle-down economics which allow billionaires to exploit workers to a ridiculous degree. Workers are finally tired of being paid below living wages while politicians (republican AND democratic) sit on their ass and do **** all to help maintain an equitable economic balance. But the bulk of the issue again stems back to idiotic Republican policies like "corporations count as people" and allowing Corporations and billionaires to pay less of their share than the working man does. So yeah, he is.

He is not responsible for the energy crisis. Democrat policies are. President Biden shut down the pipelines, ended fracking, brought back all the regulations that President Trump ended. America was energy independent and an exporter of energy.

Fracking has nothing to do with "the energy crisis" which is a blanket umbrella term you're clearly using but clearly don't understand. Biden hasn't "ended fracking". Biden didn't "shut down the pipelines". Fracking is still happening. The pipelines are still working. Just fine. One pipeline, isn't being built. All the others, that we've always had, still flowing.

We definitely have a crisis at our Southern border. Border crossings are up 400% Maybe the 33% of Americans who approve of the Biden administration feel the border crisis is manufactured nonsense and anyone who opposes open border is a racist.

Do you think if you just make up numbers and statistics it makes your argument sound smarter? It doesn't. Border crossings aren't up 400%. For example illegals flying in and and the Canadian border crossings are down to **** all zero %. But we aren't really concerned about those border crossings are we? Huh, wonder why?

Okay, fair enough. I can not debate an opinion. Democrats always claim the Republicans mess up the economy. However, that argument does not hold up in this instance because Republicans can point out horrible Democrat policy decisions that have led directly to the economic collapse.

And yet, they don't. Why is that. For example, what led to the housing crisis? What policies? Let's examine. What's leading to the current labor shortage? It ain't government handouts. Because those are over, and there's still a labor shortage. You have been force fed a diet of BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR EVERYTHING. Like any single source diet, it's malnourished your brain, and its withered.

I do not think it has ever been clearer. That is why both the Vice President and President have such low approval ratings. Record low.

Actually, No. Trump's approval ratings were in the high 30's. Biden's: low 40s. So again, factually inaccurate. But if you clap your hands and really believe, you can drown out the fact of you own blinkered bias.

Republicans are not against vaccines.

And if vaccines had existed in the earliest days of the pandemic maybe that would matter for **** all but they were against every other measure to stop or slow the spread of this disease and fought every other measure that could have kept this from becoming the shitshow that is. So congratulations, Republican obstinance and politiicizing basic common sense, helped fuel the spread of this pandemic and murdered millions. Brilliant tactical decisions by your leaders. And who are the states begging for the "SAVE US DRUGS" the most? Oh right, all the piss poor Trumpian ones.

Joe Biden has been an embarrassment on the world stage. At the very least no world leader respects the President. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive?

LOL, because they don't have a "piss tape" to blackmail him with. They didn't respect Trump, they knew they could outmanouver him all the livelong day. Because he's a moron who could be stroked, blackmailed and flattered into thinking he was one of the big boys and playing at the big kids table. He was a stooge and they knew it. The Russians LITERALLY put out a bounty to have Americans ASSASSINATED and Trump was like, No, they didn't, I believe Russia not our own American intelligence agency. Yeah Russia "respected" Trump. You are delusional.

Russia never would be threatening Ukraine if Trump was still President and China would not be threatening Taiwan.

LOL, yeah he would. Because Trump didn't do anything when Russia was shooting at our own soldiers, he's not going to care two shits about them shooting at others.

The President should not have pulled the troops out until everyone who needed to be evacuated was brought home. Blaming George Bush for Biden's disaster exit plan is like leaving the ice cream on the table and blaming the person who bought the ice cream for the mess.

Nope, again. Trump passed a resolution that said all troops would be removed by X day. What was his plan to withdrawal troops? Was the withdrawal a shitshow? Yep. But then too, it was always going to be, because A) we shouldn't have been there in the first place, B) Trump said we are out by X date, and C) Trump left no plan to actually carry it off when D-day came. Just like he left no functioning government when he withdrew, unlike every other sitting president before him

Remember when he dismantled the Pandemic Response team in 2018? Good clear thinking there.

There was no plot to overthrow the government. There probably was a plan by some extreme groups to cause a riot. I feel it was a protest, with a massive crowd, that got out of hand like so many protests over the summer of 2020.

LOL, yeah all those BLM protests that stormed the Capitol and went hunting for our elected leaders, and talked about dragging them out and shooting them in the streets. Uh huh. The Oath Keepers were a far right radical group of fvckheads who were quoting Donald Trump on the day of the Riot. They didn't denounce Trump until he, in true backstabby puppy fashion threw them under the bus, which any idiot would have known he was going to do. And they marched at the BLM protests to "protect property" darling, not to show support for the protestors. IT is your stock and trade to twist facts to suit narrative but the facts remain. They were Right Wing Trump supporters, until Trump bussed them. They tweeted his words on the day of the attack. They looked to him for direction. And they followed it.

[mpriestnall]

Pardon my ignorance, but is there only two parties in the US like in the UK?

[Ally]

Pardon my ignorance, but is there only two parties in the US like in the UK?

Pretty much. I mean we do have a few other parties, and people like me who are non-affiliated with any, but for the most part, the only two parties that have any traction, funding or hope of getting elected are the two parties. There are occasional independents who win small victories, but this is rare. The money isn't there.

[mpriestnall]

Pretty much. I mean we do have a few other parties, and people like me who are non-affiliated with any, but for the most part, the only two parties that have any traction, funding or hope of getting elected are the two parties. There are occasional independents who win small victories, but this is rare. The money isn't there.

Thanks Ally. I despair at the state of democracy and the political system here in the UK. The US doesn't seem much better.