Females help me out with some advice

[Tom_Wescott]

Jen,

Is 67 your birth year? If so, I'll work to be nicer to you, seeing as how you're many years my elder and all. You poor thing. But you must in turn promise to stop with the backstabbing and slanderous gossip, such as witnessed on this thread. Jacqueline Hyde (aka Sister) and I were enjoying a pleasant and respectful exchange when you showed up out of nowhere to inform her what a sexist pig I am. Now is that the sort of behavior you want to be known for?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[ChainzCooper]

Sure. So why didn't you do that? Every one here was focusing on the hilarity of him asking out a girl via his mother, rather than focusing on the substance: he was attempting to trick a young girl into being alone in a house with him.

No one was being substantive. They were all too busy making ha-ha jokes. Which maybe you view as being "positive", I view it as completely missing the point.

Yes, this is adorable. A first date butterfly situation. And rather than anyone actually giving substantive advice and pointing out the serious flaws in his thinking, everyone's making jokes and laughing.

You think that's positive guidance? Until myself, no one had actually focused on what he was planning to DO, they were completely consumed by the mother aspect.



I am being helpful to Jordan. I am attempting to keep him from getting the beat down of his life when this girl's brothers or father find out he tricked their girl into a potentially dangerous and creepy situation. And they live in North Carolina, so I am assuming they've got guns too.



Yeah except those times when first dates actually are life and death situations. Because you know, no woman has ever been killed by some random stranger she met and went off with.

If he likes this girl, he should respect this girl, and not attempt to manipulate or trick her into a date. I really do not see the appeal in people who think playing with people's emotions and attempting to con them is somehow "romantic".

You want romance? Leave a flower with her tip next time she serves you. Don't even say anything, just leave the flower.

Do something NICE. That's romantic.

Yeah you're right I'm dangerous and I'm into tricking someone into a hostile situation.Seriously whats your problem? I've attempted to be friendly and have good conversation with everyone on this site. The things posted by you are really below the belt. Have I ever made any cross remarks to you? So why do you feel the need to be so insulting?
Later
Jordan

[DVV]

No Tom, she said you were a sexy pig.

[ChainzCooper]

[QUOTE=Archaic;166856]

The waitress I mean not my Mom. haha
But does anyone have an opinion of my plan? Or should I do something else?Jordan[/QUOTE



Hi Jordan. Please note that Sister's post, which followed your question, does not represent the best plan for you.
Please do not grab a couple of tourists on the beach and make them eat cigarette butts- not romantic at all.

You know, Jordan, it sounds like the young lady already likes you, so I think your best bet is to come up with a few ideas of places she might want to go so you feel more confident, then just relax and be yourself. You don't need a "strategy" or a "master plan". She likes YOU.

Be yourself, be a gentleman, and go with the flow. You two may end up just taking a walk together in the park - and it might be the best "date" either of you ever had.

Because all of here at Casebook want you and the young lady to enjoy yourselves and to have a good time, its OK if you don't text us "Jordan's Hot Date Updates"
every 15 minutes...

I think others will agree, every 30 minutes or so is just fine.

Have fun, Jordan, you'll be fine.

Best regards,
Archaic

Thanks Archaic for the kind words and advice. I appreciate it
Jordan

[babybird67]

Jen,

Is 67 your birth year? If so, I'll work to be nicer to you, seeing as how you're many years my elder and all. You poor thing. But you must in turn promise to stop with the backstabbing and slanderous gossip, such as witnessed on this thread. Jacqueline Hyde (aka Sister) and I were enjoying a pleasant and respectful exchange when you showed up out of nowhere to inform her what a sexist pig I am. Now is that the sort of behavior you want to be known for?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Yep it's my birth year. I didn't realise age was relevant but oh of course it is to sexist man because a woman over what, 23, is too old for one of those.

Slander is something that is untrue isn't it? How can I slander you when you've been a sexist pig in so many of the things you've said and continue to say to me (and others), by calling you a sexist pig? That's a bit curious.

I showed up out of nowhere? Um...no I've been here for quite a while now. If you're worried about her opinion of you changing the remedy is to change your opinions of women and how you treat them, not to try to pretend you are someone other than you really are. If you're not ashamed of anything you've said, there would be no problem anyone referring to it would there?

And I'd rather be known for warning another woman about a sexist pig, than being a sexist pig. But each to his or her own eh?

Jen

[DVV]

I didn't realise age was relevant but oh of course it is to sexist man because a woman over what, 23, is too old for one of those.

Jen

No Jen, my dear !
I'm a f**** macho and mature women are soooooooooo nice !

[Jenni Shelden]

Hi Jordan,

tell this lady, you like her but you have been shy to tell her because you real value her as a friend and a person, but if she would fancy it you would like to take her for a drink one day.

The worst that can happen is that she can say no. Is that worse than not knowing that she might say yes. thats what you need to ask yourself.

but then what do i know, i met my husband at a Jtr conf!

Jenni

[DVV]

Anyway, Jordan, if a woman wants you, she will let you know.
That's how it works, trust me.

[babybird67]

No Jen, my dear !
I'm a f**** macho and mature women are soooooooooo nice !

I like macho David. I like my men to be men, but also gentlemen. I'm quite happy to spoil my man and make him tea and give him all sorts of other little treats but not a man who doesn't respect me and who thinks he can tell me where my place is or who makes ungentlemanly comments about a woman's age. Especially when done as a debating technique when there is no other way of him winning the debate...i swiftly lose respect for men like that. None of which describes you of course. You have been, always, the consummate gentleman.

Jen x

[DVV]

Agreed all round, well said, Jen, perfect.

[Tom_Wescott]

Babybird,

Fun is fun, and I can take it as well as I give it, but if I hear any more about you 'warning' people against me (and I will hear it), you will be crossing a line and you won't find me such a fun target. Just because I told you to get me tea once to push your button, because you were acting ridiculous and rude towards me, does not mean that I'm a rampant sexist pig running around the boards being mean to women. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm an equal opportunity offender.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[babybird67]

Babybird,

Fun is fun, and I can take it as well as I give it,

Well you started it Tom lol. Don't start complaining now!

but if I hear any more about you 'warning' people against me (and I will hear it),

No you'll read it because I said it in public. If it was a serious warning I could have pm'ed her. I just found it astoundingly funny, hypocritcal and laughable that a man known for his sexism was commenting on stereotypes as if they were a bad thing! Which they are, but let's face it you've done more to sustain them than any other man (an adjective I use loosely in your case) on these boards. Your recent pathetic comment about being my age being the latest example in what is swiftly becoming an encyclopaedic volume of them.

you will be crossing a line

And your comments don't cross lines????

and you won't find me such a fun target.

You're not a target Tom. As I said, I just found the comments you were making hypocritical and hilarious considering your published views on the fairer sex.

Just because I told you to get me tea once to push your button,

Right so you admit you said something to be nasty to me? To deliberately wind me up. But me referring to it now uspets you? Tough. You said it. Like I said if youre worried knowing that you speak like that to women will change another woman's view of you you should consider changing your own actions, not worrying that someone will remember and speak about those actions.The responsibility stops with you my friend.

because you were acting ridiculous and rude towards me,

No I wasn't.

does not mean that I'm a rampant sexist pig running around the boards being mean to women.

You have been. I've seen it and been on the receiving end of it.

Quite the opposite, actually. I'm an equal opportunity offender.

LMAO. Apart from women born in 1967 you mean? Give me a break.

Jen

[Tom_Wescott]

who makes ungentlemanly comments about a woman's age. Especially when done as a debating technique when there is no other way of him winning the debate.

I didn't make comments about your age. And when were you and I debating? There's no debate here, there's merely you attacking me until I'm no longer amused and you go bye-bye, birdie. Can't we all just get along?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Abby Normal]

Hi Chainz

Definitely do not use the Mom or "other girl ruse" approach. For many reasons.

If you have a hard time asking her out in person(this can definitely be hard and awkward, especially if your shy)-she gave you her email so in your email conversation with her steer her towards what she likes to do and then ask her (in your emal response)if she would like do do something similar. If that something similar involves an environment where you are known, welcome and have friends than all the better. It seems alot of girls like it when they know you are liked by other people (except for the "other girl ruse" previously mentioned) and makes them feel comfortable knowing that you are a "known" quantity.
Or perhaps ask her if she wants to do something that maybe you both have not done but "that its something you always wanted to do". That way you are both in a new adventure together-a little riskier of course but could be fun.

If you get that first date, be a gentleman-open the door for her, pay for everything, be polite to everyone, tip well. And always remember to be yourself. Don't put on an act.

And if the date goes well.... when you drop her off (and of course if she is not giving you major signals) Do not try to kiss her goodnight. Trust me. say good night you had a good time and leave. Then when you get home call her the next day and thank her and see if she would like to do something else-her choice this time.

Good luck-keep us informed.

[tji]

Without taking sides I have to say Tom tends to push the buttons of people who's buttons can be pushed. I get the impression he doesn't mean it, it is a form of teasing. In all my dealings with him he has come across as sexist pig....doesn't mean you can start now though Tom!


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