On The Trail Of The Forgers

[Jenni Shelden]

not robert plant but a vicar - perhaps

like i actually know

Maria will tell you -

[Phizzie]

not robert plant but a vicar - perhaps

like i actually know

Maria will tell you -

jdpegg,

Dont understand. Vicar???

Phizzie

[Jenni Shelden]

i dont know

It was about a Vicar whose house is being pestered by fans of Robert Plant, because once he used the house to write music with his friends

[Phizzie]

i dont know

It was about a Vicar whose house is being pestered by fans of Robert Plant, because once he used the house to write music with his friends

O, OK. I dont very often see my brother. Maybe he might know something about the house. I dont know. Is this Maria slightly crazy?

Phizzie

[Maria]

i dont know

It was about a Vicar whose house is being pestered by fans of Robert Plant, because once he used the house to write music with his friends

Pzhsy:

I think you are the one who is crazy. I have never claimed to have met Robert Plant. Let alone be his friend. What I did say before this site crashed was that Robert Plant lives in Mid- Wales not far away from where I live, I was told that he lived in a place called: Happy Valley, I went there, but was told Robert Plant had recently moved from there, I did take photos of the quarry. The new house, I was told, it was past Corris, I was also told his present abode is on the way to Towyn. But before you get there, there is another place called Happy Valley too where he now lives. This other " Happy Valley " is where there are vast estates and lands since it is not in a village like the previous " Happy Valley " where he lived at before and you really need to know the name of the property. We also went to that other Happy Valley but we found that one has to get off the main road and drive through a treacherous narrow road and in bad weather... we aborted the plan. Besides, I´m not being paid to do this. And with the Vicar´s story who I actually met, I do not think it is a good idea to say exactly where he lives, if you are really his sister as you claim, then you would know where he lives anyway... Wouldn´t you ? So why ask me ?

- Maria

P.S. Jenni knows how to read better than you do !

[Steve Powell]

"I'm Brian and so is my Wife."

[plang]

Steve, you mean Bwryan? As in Brwigusdicus?
Off with your head!!!

[caz]

Hi Caz,

Originally Posted by caz Hi Steve,

From memory, I think Anne remembered a Victoria, but it turned out to be another Victoria, and not the Victoria.

Love,

Caz
X

Can you expand on this statement?
Are you sure?
I am most interested, as Shirley never said that to me during our discussions
.....at all.
I was of the impression that she first remembered me from the descriptions
of events from those times, also she was given a physical description from
Shirley. Also I had sent Shirley a photo of Steve and myself, not sure if
or when Anne was shown it.

regards,
Victoria

Hi Victoria,

Sorry it has taken me ages to get back to this thread. I'd like to think of it maturing a bit between visits.

I’m afraid I can’t expand on my statement. As I said, I think Anne remembered a Victoria from her time in Australia, who turned out on further inquiry not to be you. Since I know that Shirley Harrison (not Harris - for Maria’s benefit) would have been delighted, in the wake of Steve’s initial story*, had she found confirmation of Anne talking to anyone about her father owning the diary so long before the magic date of 1987, I sincerely doubt that she would not have done everything possible at that time to encourage Anne to remember, if she really had met either you or Steve.

(*As with Stanley Dangar, Steve went on to cause investigators like Shirley nothing but grief because neither of them could keep their claims or their apparent beliefs consistent. It does seem possible that Maria is right about one thing here - ie that if someone like Dangar didn't get the attention or the popularity he was hoping for by adopting one position, he simply adopted another, even if the second was totally incompatible with the first.)

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Before you accuse others, take a look at yourself

…The same nasty people are trying to discredit me by saying that I do not travel at all, and that I stay at home inventing all kinds of travel stories. People like Caroline Morris whose only trips are to the chip shop and the local pub…

Maria,

Nobody has to try to discredit you. You are by far the best qualified person for the job.

I have also never even suggested that you do not travel. In fact I couldn’t be more pleased for you that you manage to do it so often.

I was only saying so at lunchtime to Carlos in the Happy Friar as he gave me a large portion (of chips) after I had swigged back my sixth pint of Poster Beater in the Old Bull.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

However, the book that I am writing, is about a young man, Steven Park,
and how he came to write the diary with the intervention of Feldman.
It is not about the Ripper or his victims, Maybrick nor his wife...

...He [Park] was a fantasist who wanted to make money as well.
Everyone is fed up to hell with the diary, just like me,

Hi Steve,

Interesting use of the past tense here. Park was a fantasist who wanted to make money by faking Jack the Ripper's diary? So are we talking two more dead men who can’t tell tales, who gave Mike the diary: Feldy and Park? And you are expecting to sell how many copies of your book?

Park must have been a fair old fantasist if he thought he was going to make a bean out of letting Mike ‘market’ the goods for him. He may as well have bet on his cat winning the Grand National. Had Park gone solo and flogged the diary himself at any time before (ooh here it comes again, I love this bit) ‘the magic date of 1987’, he could have aroused considerable interest, if not a little amusement for the sadists among us who would like to have seen the ‘experts’ giving themselves historical hernias trying to get round the textual ‘difficulties’ of that one.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Before you accuse others - yes you - take a look at yourself

If you appear in a public forum and make bold claims and then refuse or are unable to present the evidence to support those claims, your credibility is naturally going to suffer.

That's as it should be, no matter who you are.

--John

Ah, so that would apply to someone claiming that six secret squirrels with PhDs have personally assured him that the real James Maybrick could never have read any of Crashaw’s work, but when asked to present some evidence he ducks it by saying we can’t expect his sources to come out of the closet and face the nasty types who read these boards (awww, diddums), so we’ll all just have to take his word for it.

I presume this is yet another ‘we are all down in the same gutter with Aaron Kosminski’ moment, Omlor, when you are forced to admit you are no better than the people you repeatedly slag off.

Of course, I’ll give you this much - the situation with the unidentified PhDs could not have been more different from the one involving Keith Skinner more recently, and the evidence for the diary coming out of Battlecrease.

Firstly, we know now that the Crashaw claim was insupportable, since an edition of his complete works was published in Liverpool in 1866 and available from a bookshop just a short stroll from either of the Maybrick family homes in Church Alley or Mount Pleasant. That’s a positive outcome of a claim that appeared from nowhere. It actually encouraged others to do the research and explore it further. If Keith’s words encourage others to redouble their own efforts to prove the diary’s origins, then that would be a positive outcome too.

Secondly, the readers never knew any of your alleged academics from Adam, never mind what would have possessed a reputable one to give uninformed assurances, from a position of anonymity, on the real James Maybrick’s reading material options.

Conversely, everyone here above the level of a backward earwig knows who Keith Skinner is, while most are well aware of his reputation for paying meticulous attention to detail and carefully assessing every piece of information, only committing himself to a position if satisfied that there is enough supporting evidence, and many of us know this about him firsthand.

I’m certainly not saying everyone will ‘just have to take his word for it’. I don’t need to. The odd few who can believe Keith would make up something like that just for jolly are clearly beyond help.

Love,

Caz
X

[Jenni Shelden]

Caz,

you have a lot of nice things to say about Keith.

It's nice to read some postive comments about others on a diary thread

Jenni

ps thats all!

[Omlor]

Welcome to May.

A full year.

Putting aside for the moment the oncoming summer and the approaching of yet another DiTA day and the anniversary of yet another year without the diary even being shown to experts in order to determine what is and is not possible using the latest technologies, we arrive at a full year passing since Keith Skinner announced in public that he could prove that the diary came from the real James Maybrick's old house but that for some reason he couldn't show anyone the secret evidence that would support this claim.

And so, lest anyone take note of a full year going by with no goods put up in support of this public announcement, Caroline decides to go back into distant history and dig up the fact that I once asked a number of my colleagues who had expertise in the field of literary studies of the period about the idea of the real James citing that particular poem by Crashaw and they all agreed unanimously that it was nonsense.

Of course, this is irrelevant to the question at hand.

Keith made the public announcement that he had secret evidence that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt (convince a jury) that the diary could only have come from Battlecrease. But, of course, there are no goods to be seen. Still.

And so we wait. As we always do in Diary World. Because this is the way the game is played. This is the way it's been played from the beginning. And no one is even surprised anymore at the game playing and the deferral and the delays and the languages of future promises always unfulfilled.

It's a long standing pattern and here we see just more of the same. Caroline is reduced to the schoolyard game of "yeah, well, so are you too" (as if that in any way made any of this any better, as if it in any way excused any of this behavior).

But it changes nothing.

Still the game goes on.

Still there is nothing new.

Still there is nothing real.

--John

[Victoria]

Hi Caz,

Thanks for your reply .. maybe I'm a little wiser.
You said to Steve, "interesting use of the past
tense here" ...
Seems a strange thing to say really.
If I were describing the traits of someone I knew long
ago, I too would use 'was' .. simply because people
change .. so he 'was' when I knew him, but we all know
people who are reformed smokers etc .. change their ways
from bad to good, there is hope for everyone.
Maybe it's an Australian way of speaking.

good wishes,
Victoria

[Steve Powell]

Doobdog's mates at the pub.

Keith likes to dress up.