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  • Callyphygian said:
    "What form was the diary in when you held it in your hands.?
    Was it the blue Victorian guard book? Were the pages full of writing?"
    The last time I saw Steven Park was around 1978-79
    when he proudly handed me the diary to look at.
    Now, it has been said by some that the diary is black
    and by others to be blue,
    I remembered it to be a very dark blue
    and it would have been cleaned extensively since then,
    as it would have had the prints of all those involved on it.
    In a photo that I recently saw of it, it now looks more blue than black.
    The faded gold bands on the front gave it an air of class,
    but on closer inspection, it reminded me of a blank ledger,
    that was simply being used as a scrapbook.
    There were four triangular photo holders on the inside
    cover, that were stuck onto untidy blobs of white glue.
    There was no picture in the holders, but Steven told me
    that there was a picture of a soldier originally there.
    He said he still had it and had thought about putting
    another photo there, but needed a real photo
    to go there and he didn't have one.
    He said he would leave the corner pieces there 'as another mystery'.
    When I told him that actual old corner photo holders
    were not the same as the ones in his diary,
    he simply peeled them off with a shrug, and let the glue globs stay.
    I don't know if afterwards he cleaned those glue marks away or not,
    but to me the glue looked like a opaque synthetic compound.
    I mentally laughed to myself at the time that he thought that
    anyone would ever fall for his hoax.
    I didn't say that to him as I didn't want to hurt his feelings
    as he thought it was a work of art.
    Without going into the details again, as I have done previously here,
    it is the very diary that is in the hands of Robert Smith today.
    The cut pages, the words, the poems, entirely.
    Cal: "Was the decision that Robbie would be the watchman made in OZ, or in the U.K?"
    Interesting question Cal.
    Was Robbie Johnson initially a friend of Anne Grahams or Mike Barrett?
    Did Steven Park meet him through them?
    I believe that the watch was promised to an enthusiastic Robbie
    before Feldman even came on the scene.
    Feldman later agreed, after meeting him, that Robbie be the watchman.
    We have been told that there is no link between the Johnson's
    and the Barretts, but by whom? Feldman.
    Cal: "Was Park partial to the odd blast of Ganja, by the way?"
    Steven Park was into alcohol and his words in the diary reflect this at times.
    I do know that while Steven was writing the diary around the early seventies,
    an artist friend gave him a large block of black hashish,
    which he became quite fond of.
    He said that it helped him write parts of the diary.
    I told him that the 'assassins' used hashish before their murderous missions.
    He looked at me pretty stoned and just said,
    "I don't know how they managed to get off the couch."
    His abode was alcohol though and here he found his comfort level.
    It would also become his master over time.
    Cal: "..as a singer, what numbers did Park used to sing - and do fragments of any of them exist in the text of the diary?"
    That's funny Cal, but who knows how he weaved the bits and pieces
    of the diary together from his imagination: Songs, movies, books, etc.
    After the initial written pages of Steven's were cut out,
    to make way for Feldman's updated version to be entered into it,
    some of those 'funny bits' were probably ousted with 'more appropriate'
    text put in their place.
    I do remember Steven laughingly telling me that there were those in the diary.
    As a singer he wore his old, but well kept, grey mohair suit on stage
    and would sing songs like 'Delilah' and 'The Green Green Grass of Home'
    and other such creepy songs that gave me the shudders.
    I could never quite get him into something more upbeat and although
    he tried, he had this vision of himself as a Bobby Darin or Elvis Presley
    or someone else besides himself.
    I offered him a chance to record with me the last time we met,
    but he was so engulfed and silenced by the diary by now,
    that he was paranoid about being 'noticed'.
    That was the paltry excuse he gave me anyway.
    I figured he just didn't want to run the risk of one more failure.
    His future was with the diary, come what may.

    Regards Cal,
    Steve Powell
    sun25may2008

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    • Now I understand. You are so full of it Steve.
      Cornwell knows the diary is a fake.

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      • plang twangs a wrong chord.

        You understand now do you plang?
        You've made your mind up from studying all of the angles
        and you think I'm 'full of it'.
        I actually am full of it dude.
        Filled by some of the crap detective's here who think they
        alone can judge me as 'full of it'.
        Since you've made the statement now,
        let's hear from you,
        why am I so full of it to you?
        And make it good or I'll rip the D string off your axe.

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        • Originally posted by plang View Post
          Now I understand. You are so full of it Steve.
          Cornwell knows the diary is a fake.

          Plang,

          Can you please elucidate regarding your statement that 'Cornwell knows the diary is a fake'?

          Thanks,

          Graham
          We are suffering from a plethora of surmise, conjecture and hypothesis. - Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure Of Silver Blaze

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          • Steve, if you are truly serious, why do you argue your convictions on a pub talk forum? Publish the damn book, and send me a free copy.

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            • Graham, did you read Cornwell's non-fiction Ripper book?
              She clearly explains why the diary is a fake.
              Can't give you page numbers or anything because I sold it for a quarter.

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              • That is a strange post Plang,
                with such a comment why would anyone want to send you
                a free copy of anything, and you did not answer the question
                either .. 'Why you think he is full of it'?

                Steve is not here to argue anything, if you have followed
                the thread you would know that he came here to tell what he knows
                of the forgery, and hopefully get some help to fill in the missing
                pieces of the puzzle.
                Casebook is for people interested in ripperology, so this move
                seems perfectly logical to me.

                And he is 'truly serious' .. hence the book.

                Victoria
                "Victoria Victoria, the queen of them all,
                of Sir Jack she knows nothing at all"

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                • Originally posted by plang View Post
                  Graham, did you read Cornwell's non-fiction Ripper book?
                  She clearly explains why the diary is a fake.
                  Can't give you page numbers or anything because I sold it for a quarter.
                  Plang,

                  Not really sure why La Cornwell should be seen as an authority on the Diary, but never mind.

                  Nope, never read her book due to the impossibility of Sickert being JtR. And if her Sickert book is anything like her fictional works, then I never do want to read it. You did well to make a quarter when you sold your copy.

                  Graham
                  We are suffering from a plethora of surmise, conjecture and hypothesis. - Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure Of Silver Blaze

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                  • Victoria,Victoria, See the smallprint under Pubtalk,'grab a pint and gab about anything'.
                    Graham, that would be a quarter of beef.

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                    • Morning Campers,

                      Hmmm, this pub is becoming a dive. The landlord has evidently been serving drinks to customers who have had way too much for their own good. They are so legless that one believes Feldy conspired with the Barretts and the Johnsons and the elusive Park (who should be called Hide Park because nobody can produce any trace of him) to hoax the diary and watch; another believes they are all mythical, and therefore the diary presumably hoaxed itself and then went exhausted to the pub where Mike bought it a pint and took it home to meet the wife (well, why not? The diary apparently tests itself while its current owner isn't looking); and yet another believes he sees Maybrick believers everywhere and wheels Cornwell in as his expert of choice.

                      The place has finally gone barking mad.

                      And I don't want a pint of what everyone else is drinking, thanks all the same. It's [almost] enough to turn me off my weekly glass of shandy.

                      Love,

                      Caz
                      X
                      "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                      • I've finally found my Korean connection! Park is probably the second most common surname in Korea, Lee being first. So Steven Park, a Korean immigrant, is the elusive figure that Powell is blaming. Park is the one that will not be blamed for nothing. It all fits together so neatly. Okay, I realize that Park was an Aussie by way of England, but he was short, and even back then surgeons could do wonders with epicanthic folds. It probably goes way back to a great-grandfather Park who was Swanson's Korean houseboy, who did the crimes. This is every bit as good as Sickert (er..bad?).

                        Mike
                        huh?

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                        • Caroline

                          You complain about the atmosphere and describe a set of fictional characters and then say,

                          And I don't want a pint of what everyone else is drinking, thanks all the same.

                          And yet here you are all the same.

                          And I'm sure you'll hang around.

                          --John (supposed to be the guy who believes the diary wrote itself, I think)

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                          • Dive?!

                            Ah yes, the pub is barking mad but not a dive.
                            It is an exclusive niche of wonderous people.
                            Take Plang. He doesn't really give a bugger
                            as he sips his newest concoction at the bar.
                            He laughs loud. Too loud.
                            He's underage as well, but the publican
                            let's him stay because he needs some humour.
                            The Good Michael is telling everyone again
                            how he just missed out on getting an audition for
                            the Monty Python movie.
                            He's a nice enough chap but never serious.
                            And over there is Graham and John.
                            They never seem to get on but they're wise old dogs.
                            If it wasn't for these two, the shotgun under the bar
                            wouldn't need dusting.
                            Don't get a fright when the bardoors fling open
                            and a crazed female starts yelling at you.
                            It's just Caroline. When she finishes her tirade
                            of what scum we are, she will go away again.
                            Some say she's sweet on the mule skinner out the back
                            who's hiding out from the law.
                            There's a lot more of them here as well.
                            Some hide in the shadows and peer behind plants
                            but they all at some time come out to play
                            their favourite game.
                            Yes, they are all barking mad in some way.
                            But don't look in here and think it's a dive.
                            You'd be quite mistaken.

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                            • barking mad

                              Hide Park .. Hyde Park
                              Well, I thought that humorous .. we have a
                              Hyde Park here as well.
                              Is Michael possibly related to Steven?
                              Will Steven come out of hiding?

                              Wondrous people .. and that we all are.
                              I think the publican is wise .. but with a sense of humour.
                              And at least John has worked out who he is .. I'm still not sure
                              who I am.
                              Graham is Graham, down to earth and normal, cheers to him.
                              Plang .. well, I'm not tuned into him yet, the publican has
                              probably sized him up well, as he is watching all the time.

                              Another pint of what everyone else is drinking please . . .
                              "Victoria Victoria, the queen of them all,
                              of Sir Jack she knows nothing at all"

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                              • Steve, would rather be underage and loud rather than all washed up.
                                If you reach for the shotgun, my six shooter will be out of the holster before you can say jack. And I'll have five bullets left for saloon door bursters.

                                Rip my D string from my axe?
                                Good play on words. Rip my G string from my ass. Never worn one, but Borat has. Those pics should be censored!

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