On The Trail Of The Forgers

[rjpalmer]

As Time Goes By...

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

And here I thought that was a line from Casablanca...

[Tom_Wescott]

I agree with RJ....Say it again, Sam.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[rjpalmer]

I can almost here it now...

You must remember this
A list is still a list...

[Victoria]

Good morning cowgirl Caz,

Maria's line, "It did not show both sides of the debate because
most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris,
Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall".

Maybe everyone is over reacting here, quite possibly her statement was
a general comment, including you (even though you didn't speak) .. because of your
association with Keith, and because of that association, you hold the same views.
I say that because you both wrote a book together, so one would think
that you were not at odds with each other, but of the same views on the topic, and Keith did the speaking.

She also wrote a long post, and sometimes spelling out every dot and comma, can be tedious.
Maria is not a deliberate liar, and then neither are you.

cowgirl,
Victoria

[Omlor]

Indeed, boys....

"Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow...."

And we all know what order is given when Major Strasser is shot...

--John

[plang]

Victoria,Victoria, the past exists, as to the future, who knows?
Please tell.

[Victoria]

Plang oh Plang,

I see it like this, everything happens in the moment now.
The past 'happened' in the moment now. The past does not
really exist because we are only 'remembering' it in the
moment now. The past is not happening 'now' .. neither is
the future. You can not show me the past, nor change something
from the past .. you can only remember it now.
One could argue that it has a 'relative' existance.
For something to 'really' exist it has to always be .. such as the
moment now.

"This one moment - Now - is the only thing you can never escape from,
the one constant factor in your life. No matter what happens, no matter how
much your life changes, one thing is certain: it's always Now".
"The division of life into past, present, and future is mind-made and
ultimately illusory. So the only thing that is real, the only thing there ever
is, is the Now".
from 'Stillness Speaks' ~ Eckhart Tolle

Just the way I see it, and a lot of others .. hope it's not confusing.
By the way Plang, Eckhart Tolle .. lives near you .. Vancouver, British
Columbia.

~ Victoria,Victoria

[Maria]

Victoria:

The trouble is that you have not been here as long as I have... to say whether Caz is honest or not.
I have. So I know exactly what went on and how.

The past has consecuences and it leaves trails. Whatever a person says or does has to be proved. If you say anything you " remember " it has no value whatsoever except for yourself but not to others.

All the actions from the past have consecuences which we have to live in the present and the future so this thing about the past doesn´t exist is simply and purely jiberish nonsense, the past can come to haunt you specially if you have acted improperly.

So far... the way I do see things here is that Stephen Powell asked Peter to look for the details of Stephen Park and Peter did find a man with the same name, the same parents born at the right place which proves that Stephen Park does exist somewhere even though his whereabouts at the moment are unknown. Second. Stephen Powell mentioned that Paul Feldman went to Australia, during one of the Ripper conferences I heard the same, so did Peter so... so far, for me at least, that part is true. But more evidence has to be put forward.

-Maria

[caz]

Good morning cowgirl Caz,

Maria's line, "It did not show both sides of the debate because
most of the speakers were pro-diary, like Keith Skinner, Caroline Morris,
Rubinstein, and the only one person was a dissenter as far as I can recall".

Maybe everyone is over reacting here, quite possibly her statement was
a general comment, including you (even though you didn't speak) .. because of your
association with Keith, and because of that association, you hold the same views.
I say that because you both wrote a book together, so one would think
that you were not at odds with each other, but of the same views on the topic, and Keith did the speaking.

She also wrote a long post, and sometimes spelling out every dot and comma, can be tedious.
Maria is not a deliberate liar, and then neither are you.

cowgirl,
Victoria

Hi Victoria,

Maybe the reason you are now assuming things about me and Keith which are not true is because of the lies Maria has been telling, either deliberately, or from a genuine inability to distinguish fact from fantasy.

If her fellow modern hoax believers have any respect at all for her, or themselves, or indeed (as they constantly claim) the truth, one of them will surely have a quiet word with her to explain that the only name she is blackening by making things up about people is her own.

But maybe they don't care as much as they like to claim.

Caz

[Omlor]

"But maybe they don't care as much as they like to claim."

I love the tone of this. Both paranoid and provocative at the same time. Apparently, there's a "they" out there and they are somehow responsible for what Maria writes and they are really lying about how much they care about something.

It's all vaguely conspiratorial and accusatory without actually accusing anyone (except Maria) of saying or doing anything (since no one else has said or done anything to warrant any direct accusations).

But responding to Maria is obviously, for Caroline, not enough fun. So she must direct her fire outward and in a scattershot fashion towards the larger and more important "they" that she wants to be her real target. Even if she can't bring herself to name them or detail the way in which "they" are in any way responsible for what Maria writes or doesn't write.

Well, as a wise person once wrote,

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

In this strange world of the perpetually vague and of the secret squirrel evidence that can be mentioned but not seen, that is still an excellent question.

"I stick my neck out for nobody..."

--John

[Victoria]

Victoria:


The past has consecuences and it leaves trails. Whatever a person says or does has to be proved. If you say anything you " remember " it has no value whatsoever except for yourself but not to others.

All the actions from the past have consecuences which we have to live in the present and the future so this thing about the past doesn´t exist is simply and purely jiberish nonsense, the past can come to haunt you specially if you have acted improperly.

-Maria

Maria,

'The past has consequences and it leaves trails'.

It most certainly does .. I could not agree more, and the past can and
does come back to haunt one, and all.

"If you say anything you 'remember' it has no value whatsoever except
for yourself but not to others".

Yes, this makes sense, especially if one is writing a book .. some confirmation
or 'evidence' to back up the story is needed.
But 'value' to one's self is important, and if it is something that is needed to
be told .. that truth can be felt by others, through the words truthfully spoken.
Sometimes I feel we need to be a little more generous of spirit and take on trust
what others have to say.


On your second paragraph, with all due respect, you probably do not
properly understand what I was saying, and that does not matter at all.
I was only trying to answer in a simple manner what Plang was asking.
One thing it is not, is 'jiberish nonsense' .. whether you, I, or anyone else
here, or elsewhere think that it is ... that is ok, and perfectly proper, but not true.

"which we have to live in the present and the future so this thing about the past doesn't exist"

I do understand where you are coming from Maria, but we cannot live in the future (maybe in a movie!),
nor the past .. we live Now, everything happens
Now, we can look at the past and deal with it's 'hauntings' .. only now in
the present.
One could argue a 'relative' existence of the past, as I said to Plang, but
this is not the time nor the place.

Victoria

[Victoria]

"So why say anything, Sam, if you are not prepared to say it all?"

It's a good question, even for people who are not named Sam.

--John

Hi Caz,

This is a good question, it has been mentioned many times ..
possibly it escaped your notice, and you were sidetracked by Sam,
and Casablanca .. I know it took a while for me to get that singing out
of my head.

I also have asked John this before and also Maria .. and no answer,
I have just realised why, because I have been asking the wrong people.
If anyone here knows, anything, it will be you Caz .. is it possible for you to
enlighten us all?

On John's post .. just change the name Sam to Keith.
My question is, is there a reason why this 'evidence' is being withheld?
and when, or will it ever be made public?

Victoria

[Steve Powell]

On The Trail With Maria.

There is a very good reason why Maria is speaking out:
She is tired of the charades and the sleazy lies
of the people involved with the diary hoax.
She is not talking for the sake of it,
but for the right to do so as one that has been
personally involved with some of these very same people.
Viva Maria!

[Maria]

Thank you Stephen...

That is exactly right. I´m tired of the lies that Caroline Morris, Keith Skinner and the newest person to join them who makes all the theatricals to deceive the public one Chris Jones who doesn´t care about twisting history, as long as the cash till makes a noise with coins at the end of the day.

Victoria:

I never said we ought to live in the future... is this a female thing ? I say one thing and its immediately turned up side down.

What I said was... what we do in the past has consequenses to our present and future life. NOT that we should live in the future. Comprende ?

-Maria

[Maria]

Victoria:

Yes, that question should be asked to Caroline Morris, since John and also myself have been waiting for this answer over a year now.

Keith boasted that he had the evidence to convince a jury that the diary came from Battlecrease, yet a year has gone by and nothing, nothing has been shown of this so called evidence.

So now that a full year has passed we can safely assume that such " evidence" doesn´t exist, that it was said for effect on the assumption people would just trust Keith on his word. Well we don´t. We are asking him to show us the evidence. Instead, Keith hides underneath Caroline´s skirt.

-Maria