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  • Scott Nelson
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    No and don't expect to see it any time soon.

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  • Graham
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    ...er, I hate to ask...but...has anyone seen this fwigging book yet?

    Regards,

    Graham

    (Part-time reviewer, Times Literary Supplement)

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  • caz
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    Originally posted by Steve Powell View Post
    Victoria and I shall be back after the book is released.
    Ah, so she doesn't have a mind of her own then.

    Or is Victoria the one who controls your appearances here?

    Is it Steve/Stephanie or Victoria/Victor?

    Don't let others who have a stake in keeping me quiet, get to you.
    Damn, the wheels must have fallen off my cunning device for keeping you quiet. I shall demand my money back.

    Sob.

    Love,

    Caz
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  • Steve Powell
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    On The Trail Of The Pithy.

    Ooo... Caroline and her 'gang' are getting nervous can't you see?
    They have been talking into the night and into their mobiles.
    'If he says this, then we say that'.
    'He doesn't know it ALL, does he?'
    'What can he prove?'
    'We have to keep on trying to discredit him'.
    'Attack Victoria Caroline'.
    'Yes massa, me do'.

    Well Cazoline, your times up dudess.
    Victoria and I shall be back after the book is released.
    You in the meantime can keep up your pithy gob throw
    against us both, as it means sweet f a.

    To the troopers,
    I have told you only half of the story of the hoaxing of the diary
    here on the casebook over the past year and a bit.
    I couldn't tell you it all, as I needed to find out 'a few things'.
    Don't let others who have a stake in keeping me quiet, get to you.
    It has been an uphill battle, but I've given em' a wackin' - for you and James Maybrick.

    Steve Powell

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  • caz
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    Who's duping who?

    Originally posted by Victoria View Post

    Now, I have not spoken to Shirley 'in more recent years' but I did remember
    things that were diary related and also the girl I thought at first was Anne, but
    this now seems not to be the case.
    The car recollection is more recent, round two of events circa 2008 as
    opposed to the 2000 events with Shirley.
    Hi Victoria,

    This is what I meant by this strange phenomenon you appear to share with Steve, of remembering then forgetting then remembering again.

    If you spoke to Shirley in 2000, that was considerably 'more recent' than when Steve was supposedly telling you to stand by him if 'this diary' came to light. Now, in 2008, you 'clearly' remember him doing so. So what triggered this memory that you didn't have when speaking to Shirley? And what is it worth, if you had no recollection of the incident in 2000, when 'this diary' had already been known about for 8 years and you got your first opportunity to stand by the person claiming to have known about it for 30 years?

    You may see nothing strange about this but others do. It's hard to accept this as something you can recall 'clearly' for yourself, especially if your memory has been jogged by the only other person featured in the incident.

    We certainly have been through all this before and it's getting harder to accept with each new 'clearly' remembered conversation, not easier.

    I doubt it would have crossed his mind, to keep a diary on it .. what
    would that prove really, you could just say he wrote it last week.
    Hmmm. How did I know you were going to say that? Look, it's not rocket science. If Steve knew as much as he claims to know he could have jotted down tons of details when all the memories were fresh in his mind, or recorded them on tape, and given copies to people he trusted. In any event, if he reached the stage of telling you to stand by him in case 'this diary comes to light', it beggars belief that it could have come to light in 1992 and the first anyone hears from Steve, some seven years later, is that he thinks he remembers someone who could have been Anne telling him that her father had 'this diary' back home in Liverpool! And the first we hear from you is that you have no knowledge of it.

    You seem to have accepted that the only watch you know about in relation to Park was not the Maybrick watch; the Anne you may have known during the right period was not Anne Graham. Next question for you to put to Steve (and again, I don't need an answer from either of you) is:

    What prompted him to introduce Feldy into this heady mix and drop any remaining credibility down the pan?

    If you don't believe Steve conjured up this imbecilic idea out of thin air, you might like to ask who could have duped him or been duped themselves. There are only two others who strike me as capable of generating anything on this scale of lunacy: Mike Barrett (who would have said or done anything to ruin Feldy at one time) and the late Stanley Dangar (who would have believed anything of Feldy). But only a fool or a knave would have tempted Steve with anything originating with either of those two clowns.

    Have a good weekend and I hope you find some answers that you can live with.

    Love,

    Caz
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  • Victoria
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    Originally posted by caz View Post
    Hi again Victoria,

    Bit of a twit, wasn't he, to think that asking you to 'stand by him' would do the trick, when all he needed to do was to keep his own diary.

    All you need is love.

    Steve should not have listened to the Fab Four. All he needed was evidence.

    Love,

    Caz
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    I like that .. I'll pay that one Caz.

    Now, I have not spoken to Shirley 'in more recent years' but I did remember
    things that were diary related and also the girl I thought at first was Anne, but
    this now seems not to be the case.
    The car recollection is more recent, round two of events circa 2008 as
    opposed to the 2000 events with Shirley.
    I see nothing strange or odd about remembering something later .. when
    something is said, then it reminds you of something related .. to what is said.
    Not everything is on tap in the foreground of ones mind .. especially from
    so long ago.
    We have been through all this before.

    On the 'stand by him' bit .. you've got to remember .. we were young,
    about 20 or 21, At that time I certainly didn't think it as dramatic a picture as you
    have just painted.
    I doubt it would have crossed his mind, to keep a diary on it .. what
    would that prove really, you could just say he wrote it last week. You just want
    another to back you up .. if it ever did come to fruition in the future.

    love,
    Victoria

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  • caz
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    Hi again Victoria,

    Why would Steve have needed to ask you to 'stand by him' if this diary came to light? Think about it. If he genuinely suspected Park was planning to frame an innocent man for the ripper murders, what would have been easier than to have kept a detailed record of his suspicions, which he could have produced when his fears were finally realised?

    What a coup that would have been. Steve would have been an instant hero, possibly with a book and film under his belt by now; the forgers would have earned themselves a prison sentence; Maybrick would have stopped turning in his grave and Ripperologists everywhere would have slapped him on the back and said "Good on ya" - instead of which he comes across as a rather pathetic figure who has absolutely no evidence for any of his claims.

    Bit of a twit, wasn't he, to think that asking you to 'stand by him' would do the trick, when all he needed to do was to keep his own diary.

    All you need is love.

    Steve should not have listened to the Fab Four. All he needed was evidence.

    Love,

    Caz
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  • caz
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    Originally posted by Victoria View Post

    To be really honest here though Caz, I haven't thought that much about it at all...
    No, really? I'd never have guessed.

    And I remember clearly
    years ago, sitting in a car with him .. and he is telling me to remember to
    stand by him, if this diary comes to light.
    I don't remember you telling Shirley this in more recent years. I thought you couldn't remember 'this' or any other diary when she was asking you if you had any recollection of having met anyone who could have been Anne Graham. Is it an Australian thing, this switching back and forth between remembering and forgetting and then remembering again, sometimes only vaguely and at other times with astonishing clarity and detail? Or is it a trait only shared by you and Steve? I'm puzzled by this phenomenon. I can't say I've ever come across a genuine case before.

    If you do find the mechanics of Steve's Aussie-Liverpudlian 1960s-90s hoax conspiracy make sense to you, everyone who has ever been curious about who could have created the diary and watch, and when, will be waiting for you to explain why it should make sense to them too.

    Love,

    Caz
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    Last edited by caz; 11-06-2008, 01:17 PM.

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  • Victoria
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    Originally posted by caz View Post
    Hi Victoria,

    Despite Steve's rant, I am confident there is a smart independent person inside of you screaming to get out. So please try and think this one out logically for yourself and see how it could possibly work in practice. How could Park have known, for instance, when he bought his watch from your brother, that a 'Maybrick' watch would turn up in Wallasey in the early 1990s?

    Don't worry, I'm not expecting an answer. This is merely something you may like to think about. I'm surprised you haven't asked Steve how it all comes together, because if I were in your shoes and half believed what he was saying (I say 'half' believe, because you don't think the watch you remember is the Maybrick watch - good girl, it's a start ) I would want to know a bit about the mechanics of his conspiracy theories at the very least.

    At present I have still seen no evidence that Steve, or anyone known to him, ever crossed Anne Graham's path. At least she went to Australia (which is what could have given Steve the germ of an idea for his own book back in 1999), while I have yet to see any evidence that Feldy ever did.

    Love,

    Caz
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    Hi Caz,

    I am flattered that you think I might be a "smart independent person"..
    not sure if I'm screaming to get out though .. but I will try and think logically
    about all this, so I can live up to your expectations.

    To be really honest here though Caz, I haven't thought that much about it at all .. JTR,
    is not my cup of tea .. I can think of more uplifting things in life to be
    interested in than some murderer. Same for a stupid hoax diary .. except
    that I do remember things .. that fit Steve's story. And I remember clearly
    years ago, sitting in a car with him .. and he is telling me to remember to
    stand by him, if this diary comes to light. I remember thinking he was getting carried
    away by it all .. but here we are.
    I wish that I could have remembered more for him .. but I don't think it mean't that
    much to me at the time.
    So .. I am doing as I promised, the best I can with what I remember and
    my support.

    I made my comment, 'that I don't think the watch in question is the same one', only
    on the basis of vaguely reading the old posts from various people here .. without thinking about it myself,
    'logically' .. so to be 'smart and independent'.
    I just followed everyone else .. just like sheep do.
    But now with your sound and wise advice .. I intend to write to Steve,
    'in space' and get him to explain to me the mechanics of his theory on it,
    how it all comes together. I shall show more interest.

    I shall then logically .. see if it makes sense to me or not,
    I shall be 'independent and smart'
    But I am sure there is some truth here.

    Many thanks, you are ok ..
    love,
    Victoria

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  • caz
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    Originally posted by Victoria View Post
    I personally think that the watch in question is not the same one ..
    but to me it shows his (Parks) intent, for the original idea of the hoax.
    Hi Victoria,

    Despite Steve's rant, I am confident there is a smart independent person inside of you screaming to get out. So please try and think this one out logically for yourself and see how it could possibly work in practice. How could Park have known, for instance, when he bought his watch from your brother, that a 'Maybrick' watch would turn up in Wallasey in the early 1990s?

    Don't worry, I'm not expecting an answer. This is merely something you may like to think about. I'm surprised you haven't asked Steve how it all comes together, because if I were in your shoes and half believed what he was saying (I say 'half' believe, because you don't think the watch you remember is the Maybrick watch - good girl, it's a start ) I would want to know a bit about the mechanics of his conspiracy theories at the very least.

    At present I have still seen no evidence that Steve, or anyone known to him, ever crossed Anne Graham's path. At least she went to Australia (which is what could have given Steve the germ of an idea for his own book back in 1999), while I have yet to see any evidence that Feldy ever did.

    Love,

    Caz
    X

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  • Steve Powell
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    Scott Loses The Trail.

    Scott Nelson said:
    "What really turned me against an Australian origin is the fact that he had to bring the watch in along side the diary. The blackboard incident was seemingly convincing with Victoria acting as backup collaboration. But then, he had to put the watch with the diary because they are supposed to be connected to match the story as presented by others thus far."
    Geez Scott, it sounds like you just saw a bad play at your local
    gymnasium.
    I didn't 'write' the original story about the watch or the diary.
    It was Steven Park's idea and bag.
    It's all true, the watch and the diary are both connected,
    even Feldman and Shirley Harrison agreed with that.
    I've seen and held both of the articles,
    so you didn't want me to tell you?
    Think like a trooper dude and never close your mind,
    otherwise you could go way past the right trail.

    Steve Powell

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  • Steve Powell
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    The Dreaded Cheese Eater?

    Christopher George kindly sent me the names of the current
    staff of Ripperology Magazine.
    Managing Editor: Jennifer Pegg?
    Could this be the same Pegg that kept calling me a liar
    and telling me to fukoff continuously?
    You know, the one with the cheese?
    Will I get a fair go? Without the crumbs?
    Thanks for the list Christopher, I shall get back to you
    when I can.

    Steve Powell

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  • Steve Powell
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    The Overwhelming Desire To Laugh.

    Howdy Troopers,
    Look at this crap would you?
    Come on, take a gander at it:
    Caroline said:
    "Yes, Victoria. Steve is a consummate artist - at taking the p out of impressionable people. In fact, it's obvious that he made a very big impression on you in his early days as a p artist."
    Lovely isn't it?
    Not only calling me a p artist (that's her dumb term for 'pissartist')
    but then to rub insult into her propaganda against me,
    she throws doubt on Victoria's ability to think like an individual.
    Crikey! Would you like to live next door to Caroline?
    I don't think I'd even deliver her milk.
    She would be waiting behind the hedge to abuse someone, anyone.
    Further on she posts about 'pimping'.
    Charming talk and attitude from one who is supposed to be
    an intellectual author isn't it troopers?
    Her co-written book must be strewn with this type of negative thinking.
    I don't know really, because I didn't read it
    and frankly couldn't be bothered, because I know the real story
    of where the diary came from.
    So I know her book is totally full of p or b or any other letter.
    Why is she continuously trying to deride me?
    Think about it troopers, that's what you're here for.
    Then she says:
    "Don't let him rip Rip off."
    Rip Rip off, can you believe that?
    I laugh in your general direction Caroline.
    You, one of the people trying to vainly hold and prop up
    one innocent bugger by the name of James Maybrick,
    accuse me of doing that?
    I laugh again.

    Steve Powell

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  • Victoria
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    Originally posted by caz View Post
    Yes, Victoria. Steve is a consummate artist - at taking the p out of impressionable people. In fact, it's obvious that he made a very big impression on you in his early days as a p artist.

    Love,

    Caz
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    I thought I was on your wavelength here Caz, with your
    double meanings .. very clever and funny, maybe
    you could team up with Steve for a comedy act double.
    Or co-write a book together .. now that would be entertaining.
    Then when I read ChrisGeorge's comment .. maybe I was way
    off beam ..
    Anyway from my memory, he was never like that .. 'taking the p...
    out of impressionable people', he really was back then, just honest
    and straightforward, but fun.

    love,
    Victoria

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  • Victoria
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    What really turned me against an Australian origin is the fact that he had to bring the watch in along side the diary. The blackboard incident was seemingly convincing with Victoria acting as backup collaboration. But then, he had to put the watch with the diary because they are supposed to be connected to match the story as presented by others thus far.
    Hi Scott,
    I can understand what you are saying here and how what Steve says about the watch,
    may seem that way to you.
    From my perspective .. I know Steve Park bought a watch from my brother,
    and my brother who has no interest in any of this .. knows and remembers
    this clearly.
    I personally think that the watch in question is not the same one ..
    but to me it shows his (Parks) intent, for the original idea of the hoax.

    best wishes,
    Victoria

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