EU Vote

[Robert]

The New Europe item seems to have refreshed itself. Google "Germany's Schaeuble wants European army."

[Robert]

Call me a cynic, Svensson, but it's strange how things that the Germans want actually end up happening.

"We must get closer to the formation of a European army."

http://en.theeuropean.eu/franz-josef-jung--3/8280-european-army-a-vision-for-the-future

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/fianna-fail-promises-to-every-citizen-e188-per-week/

Now this might take a while to achieve. It would probably arrive step by imperceptible step, each step defended as a small step and perfectly reasonable.

[John Wheat]

It looks like Britain is out the EU for good. That's what the people voted for and that's what there gonna get. Wether it's good or bad remains to be seen. I think it will largely be bad. But there is no going back now and I don't see the point.

[Svensson]

What exactly do you mean when you say 'rule'?

this wasn't consciously chosen with anything in mind. Just being the devil's advocate here.

[Svensson]

The Albarn item was in the Daily Mirror, a left-wing pro-EU newspaper.

As for the EU army, here's an item from that horrible anti-EU newspaper the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ission-miltary

It is an opinion by Mr. Junker. For a European Army to come into existence, the following would need to be done:

1. The Comission would need to suggest it (not an individual). The Comission has members of every single country, including the UK
2. The Council would then come up with draft legislation. The Council has members of every single country, including the UK.
3.The parliament would need to vote on it. the Parliament has members of every single European country including the UK.
4. IF the parliament agrees, then all 28 countries would need to ratify it. Including the UK.

None of the above had happened. Nor was the scope of the army ever decided as you had suggested.

[Svensson]

These are tumultuous times but with them comes the opportunity to reclaim control of our own country. When the politicians are scrabbling around to pick up the pieces, I know my decision has been vindicated. They weren't expecting this to happen. They thought all the scaremongering and misinformation spread by the 'Remain' campaign would fool the British people. They were wrong and now must deal with the consequences.

Mr. D, the politicians are scrambling because they are duty-bound to do their job and serve their country. This vote should not have been score-settling with the political class, it should have been about deciding what is the best decision for the UK going forward. And trust me, it is Joe Average who will have to deal with the consequences, not the political class.

And btw, so far the predictions (or scaremongering) of the Remain campaign are correct but to me, that was never the issue. I always thought it was clear that the economy would take a short-term hit over this. The gamble on offer here is that there will be a long-term benefit for the UK or not.

And remember, you will be reliant on the political classes that you seem to despise so much to actually deliver a deal that with put the UK in a strong position. If you have no trust in the politicians, why hand over your yours and your children's future to them?

[Robert]

The Albarn item was in the Daily Mirror, a left-wing pro-EU newspaper.

As for the EU army, here's an item from that horrible anti-EU newspaper the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

[Svensson]

Another stroke of luck : we have the extremely well-informed Mr Albarn to enlighten us, and ensure that we won't be ill-informed next time.

I can't help noticing the irony of your previous comment about the European Army and this one here.

Goes to show, when the Mail and Express print something for long enough (even though it may not be true), sooner or later the headline becomes "fact".

[Svensson]

It's a good job they never managed to organize their EU army in time. That army isn't intended to be used solely abroad.

Erm, okay. "European Army" was of course never planned and never existed. There are no and never were any EU statues referring to a "European Army", nor are there any committees within the EU working on the concept of a European Army.

You are, like many others of the Leave camp, creating an invention and then attack that invention.

[Robert]

Another stroke of luck : we have the extremely well-informed Mr Albarn to enlighten us, and ensure that we won't be ill-informed next time :

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/democracy-failed-us-damon-albarn-8274450

I thought I would post a link to one of Mr Albarn's records, not because I like the music, but because I like the title :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz2MUTi08ow

[Robert]

It's a good job they never managed to organize their EU army in time. That army isn't intended to be used solely abroad.

[Harry D]

These are tumultuous times but with them comes the opportunity to reclaim control of our own country. When the politicians are scrabbling around to pick up the pieces, I know my decision has been vindicated. They weren't expecting this to happen. They thought all the scaremongering and misinformation spread by the 'Remain' campaign would fool the British people. They were wrong and now must deal with the consequences.

[Robert]

Referendum football

Remain Utd supporters : We wuz robbed....if his foot hadn't slipped....he was through on goal. Blatant foul.....the ball bobbled as he went to hit it....that was never a penalty....the bloody manager left our best player on the bench....scored in the last minute. They only won because of Boris time....the match should be replayed.

[Phil Carter]

I apologise if someone's posted along these lines previously, but it's occurred to me that, if the majority of the population wish for the UK to leave the EC, how come there weren't loads of UKIP MP's voted in at the last General Election? Which makes me wonder just how people were influenced to vote Leave.

Graham

Hello Graham,

Living in Norway..I look at this from perhaps a different angle. Three things I considered are the following..

a) it is a fact that the younger generation voted..in the main..to remain..yet the older generation, in general, voted out.
The places where the younger generation voted most, gave a lower turnout figure. The places with the highest turnout provided the most older generation voters.
Likewise, high turnouts in traditional working class areas.

b) Older voters took the opportunity to be heard. To state their long time grievances. This crossed the political spectrum.

c) the working class man, again, independent of party political sway, did the same. It was their chance to literally stand up and make a statement..be counted. That is why in many Labour areas of traditional working class poplace, they voted not with party politics in mind.

So the combination of older generation, working class people, made the difference. If more youngsters had turned out to vote..perhaps it may have been different.
please note too, that including all areas in Scotland, Northern Ireland and London combined, (the crux of the remain vote), with the odd areas in England..totalled only 129 of the 382 areas. That meant that 253 areas out of 382 voted out. Put as a percentage. .That's around 68% of the total voting area voting out.

I only put this down as fact on record. It strikes me personally therefore that the vast majority of the areal population felt affected negatively in one way or another by living under the umbrella of the EU and spoke out against various perceived constraints.
London, oppositely, with stronger business ties to the EU, and Scotland with the reason of remaining solid and safe within the EU as promised them by government under the referendum on Nationality independence voted remain.

Just an observation. ☺

[Robert]

I enjoyed that, Phil. Yes, humour is always welcome.