EU Vote

[Graham]

Phil, I like your list, especially the last two items! However, although the Eurovision is a pile of crap and I wouldn't watch it under threat of torture, it does give the Anglophobe continentals another opportunity to place on record what they think of our country. Up theirs.

I apologise if someone's posted along these lines previously, but it's occurred to me that, if the majority of the population wish for the UK to leave the EC, how come there weren't loads of UKIP MP's voted in at the last General Election? Which makes me wonder just how people were influenced to vote Leave.

Graham

[Karl]

Robert,
9) That delivering milk in glass bottles on a doorstep is an excellent idea.

You have got to be the only country left in the civilised world still to do that. If the Americans will only abolish the death penalty nation-wide, they'll have taken the lead over you, and not even afternoon tea could save you
Have fun with your medieval milk.

[Phil Carter]

Robert,

I saw today an amusing little post that may tickle your fancy. ☺
Germany, Spain and France are prepared to give the following concessions if we still remain...

1) that it be officially recognised forever that the ball really did cross the line in 1966 and that it really was a goal.
2) that we can finally go around and freely say "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" after getting arrested on holiday on the Costa Brava without any bad consequences.
3) that 'allo 'allo will finally be recognised as farce and satire and will not be subtitled or dubbed or edited.
4) that we can call our beer 'beer' even though it isn't lager.
5) that steak and kidney pie will be considered a delicacy in line with snails.
6) that Basil Fawlty be allowed to brcome the next Prime Minister, which would allow him to mention what he tells people not to mention.
7) That Rutland be finally recognised as a Country in order for them to challenge Luxembourg, San Marino and Liechtenstein to a Test Series at Cricket.
8) That Cornish pasties don't have to be made in Cornwall to be called such.
9) That delivering milk in glass bottles on a doorstep is an excellent idea.
10) that bananas and cucumbers can now be any shape or size..and sold by the lb.
11) that eating fish and chips out of newspaper is not a health hazard.
12) that British humour be recognised as unequalled in European culture.
13) that all visitors to GB from EU countries take written and oral exams in Cockney, Glaswegian English, South Yorkshire English, Tyneside English and Welsh. Cornish would be a multiple choice exam.
and finally
14) that we are allowed to leave the Eurovision song Contest and never show it again on our televisions however much they beg us to participate and watch.

...😉😄😁

in these days of vitriol and mudslinging..a little light hearted fun to relax the mood.

[Robert]

Jon, with Scotland staying in the EU, and the rest of the country outside it, the Scots will be so much wealthier than us that no immigrant would even think of coming here. They will make a bee line for Scotland. You mark my words.

[Wickerman]

Yes it's looking likely. If Scotland do leave Britain maybe the people of Wales and Northern Ireland will want a vote for independence too. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries in the EU will want a referendum as well.

Cheers John

As immigration was a significant issue in this EU referendum in England, I'd like to see how they stop immigrants coming into England via Scotland once the Scots get their independence.

Maybe Trump was in Scotland to give a quote on re-building Hadrians Wall?

[Geddy2112]

There is also a petition going on if England get beat in the Euros off Iceland on Monday night that we can replay the game till we win.... seems fair.

Regarding the 'we want another referendum' petition there is nothing at all stopping people who are not eligible to vote signing it. My German better half could if she wanted to. Hey the result might not have been what everyone wanted or expected but that is democracy.... suck it up!

[Robert]

I hardly ever sign petitions, and of course won't be signing this one, but if the linked item is correct then I was wrong to say that the petition was ad hoc. According to this, it's an old petition placed by someone some time ago, which aroused little interest, but has now been used by disgruntled remainers. There are also suggestions that people from abroad have been signing it.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit

[Robert]

Hi Steve

Yes, you couldn't rejoin on the same terms.

Even if the objections aren't ad hoc, the petition certainly is.

I was reading on a BBC site today, some Eurocrat saying 'we must invent a new Europe.' I think that kind of language explains a lot.

Anyway, nice talking to you Steve.

[Fleetwood Mac]

A bit like people suggesting that the Germans want to rule Europe, lol

What exactly do you mean when you say 'rule'?

[Elamarna]

Hi Robert

No you could never rejoin on the same terms, so that is a non starter to suggest you could rejoin.
For instance while I may have voted to remain, I would never vote to re-enter on a single currency.

I do not consider the objections to be ad hoc at all, I have been talking about it in local politics for the last year.

also the objections appear not to be coming from the political leaders, but from voters themselves.

but yes, they did not expect to lose. and that is the great mistake.


I suspect looking at the posts we were of different view points on this anyway.

I just hope that the country have not ignored the turkeys and voted for xmas,

Time will tell and we must wait.

steve

[Robert]

Hi Steve

Why, of course the fight could go on - just as I expect the remainers to be campaigning in the years to come for us to rejoin the EU (assuming it still exists). Political decisions can be reversed. It doesn't annoy me that remainers remain remainers. What annoys me is that they want an immediate re-run, and on ad hoc objections - objections they never mentioned when they thought they were going to win.

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve

I didn't see the Farage remark so I'm not sure if he was talking about an immediate referendum or just saying 'the fight will go on.'

You may be right on the MPs but what if the Brexiters help to vote down the budget?

Robert,

Does it matter what he meant, if we are meant to accept the vote as final, it is final, the "fight" cannot go on.

The outers did not expect to win, and I seriously doubt they had really considered the outcome.

If Parliament went for a rerun (again i say unlikely) I am sure a deal would be done to ensure the budget was acceptable to both Labour and Tory.

In that event the 120 or so Brexiters would not have any effect even if the Scot Nats Joined them.

You would be looking at a split of the Tories just as deep as the Liberal one on Home Rule in the 19th Century. (one reason it is unlikely)

That could lead the 120 to renounce the whip and become UKIP MP's which of course is what many of them really are anyway.

regards

steve

[Robert]

Hi Steve

I didn't see the Farage remark so I'm not sure if he was talking about an immediate referendum or just saying 'the fight will go on.'

You may be right on the MPs but what if the Brexiters help to vote down the budget?

[Elamarna]

Interesting about this huge petition demanding a re-run. Why wasn't the petition launched before the referendum? After all, its signers knew the terms of the referendum. So why did they not protest before the voting?
Could it be that they smugly assumed they'd win?

Anyway, they've made it clear that if they don't get their own way, they'll scweam and scweam and scweam.

Robert


Agree entirely.
Arrogant to a degree that is unreal.

However it should be noted that Farage said before the vote that if leave lost by a few percent it was not over.

so seems both sides thinking the same.

steve

[Elamarna]

I wouldn't have thought it likely. If it happens it will lead to a general election, since the tory brexiteers will side with the Labour Party and Scots Nats on all future House of Commons votes. There's nothing that concentrates an MP's mind like the possible loss of his job. Brussels would have to give the tory remainers mega bribes to get them to do that.

Robert ,

while I agree it is highly unlikely, the petition will be discussed it has got more than 10x the number of signatories required, however I disagree with your assesment.

such a decsion would make any voting for it very unpopular in many areas, so they would not want a general election.

look at the makeup of the house it seems fairly clear:

The majority of Tories would not want a GE
The Labour party would certainly not want a general election,

The Scots Nats might want to bring independence forward, but not sure a GE would help there.

The Tory Brexiteers are in a very large minority.

Given that it needs a 2/3 vote now for a vote of no confidence there would be no general election this year, and probably not next.
You could see a vote of no confidence where only the outers and Scots Nats vote for it.
Because has you rightly point out the turkeys will not vote for xmas, so to speak.

my view, Unlikely but not impossible.

regards

steve