EU Vote

[Wickerman]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

And so the rigid 'class' system soldiers on...

[Pcdunn]

Duplicated.

[Pcdunn]

Hello, Fleetwood, thank you for the response and information.

History should never be irrelevant, but then again-- history won't pay the bills in an uncertain Now.

I may be a foreigner, but many of my ancestors hailed from the U.K., and Ireland. I have read about the English love of nature, the countryside, dogs and horses, gardens, and scenic landscapes. I think it is great people want to preserve it, and will definitely research this topic. You can never spend too much time learning new things, in my opinion.

[Robert]

Can you give some examples, Karl?

[Karl]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

The other side does not resort to generalisations of the same calibre?

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think about the only things I truly understood in this thread were the wonderful "Prisoner" references (classic Sixties version, of course), and I will admit I've paid very little attention to the should-the-UK-go-or should-they-stay-in-the-EU controversy. (Is is properly the EU or the EEU?)

All the same, I think this is a historic decision. Whether it was because of anger at the current government/administration, out of nostalgia for the days when "the sun never set on the British Empire", due to polarizing social and political views and problems, etc., trust me, it will have consequences.
I hope they are good ones, and wish you all luck.

We're not much better off over here in the USA-- in fact we're got similar problems, just with a different accent (and guns, always guns), so I understand how you all feel (at least I'm getting an inkling...)

You may be surprised, PCDunn, in terms of what English people are really like.

No one I know is interested in the British Empire. In fact, I'm scratching my head thinking when was the last time I heard an English person mention the words British Empire? I genuinely can't remember hearing those words. You'll find it mentioned more by foreigners on message boards. Not that it's anything to do with a sense of guilt, more that it's just irrelevant.

But, one thing that is important to English people is our deep love of the countryside. If you asked me what binds us together as a nation the only thing that would come to my mind is a love of the countryside. This was an important issue in the immigration debate. For many, it didn't matter where people came from, our green land was been eroded. And, if you're not convinced with what I'm saying have a google of the amount of people who are members of organisations concerned with preserving the countryside in this country. You would be amazed at the high percentage.

[Pcdunn]

I think about the only things I truly understood in this thread were the wonderful "Prisoner" references (classic Sixties version, of course), and I will admit I've paid very little attention to the should-the-UK-go-or should-they-stay-in-the-EU controversy. (Is is properly the EU or the EEU?)

All the same, I think this is a historic decision. Whether it was because of anger at the current government/administration, out of nostalgia for the days when "the sun never set on the British Empire", due to polarizing social and political views and problems, etc., trust me, it will have consequences.
I hope they are good ones, and wish you all luck.

We're not much better off over here in the USA-- in fact we're got similar problems, just with a different accent (and guns, always guns), so I understand how you all feel (at least I'm getting an inkling...)

[Errata]

Let me tell you something Errata.

This country has an outstanding record with immigration. A lot of people have come here fleeing persecution in their home country - down the centuries.

What's happening today is that we have politicians in Europe and Britain who are inviting people to come here. Not a problem. But, the problem is they're placing an inordinate amount of people in places of high deprivation by English standards thereby adding to the burden on public services and the frustration in that local area.

They're not placing immigrants in rural, affluent areas; nor near the liberal city dweller types who think they're with the poor but wouldn't known poverty if it kicked them upside down. No, what they're doing is placing immigrants in places that are poor by English standards.

In the event a fair share was taken around the country then you wouldn't hear a peep out of people, but these politicians, of both European and British variety, are taking us for a ride. We're the ones who are expected to be 'tolerant' in areas of high deprivation, while they talk a good game but would run a mile if they lived anywhere near someone lacking a white face.

And, that's what this vote was. It was more of a vote against the British Government than anything. It just so happened that the EU are associated with them. It was a big **** you to all politicians who talk about equality and tolerance with our money.

We call it "Not In My Backyard" policy. Where those who can afford influence make sure that all of the things they want get hidden somewhere out of their sight. It's true from landfills to babies.

[Robert]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

[Fleetwood Mac]

I have no idea if it's true or not, all I know is that it made me laugh pretty hard.

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Let me tell you something Errata.

This country has an outstanding record with immigration. A lot of people have come here fleeing persecution in their home country - down the centuries.

What's happening today is that we have politicians in Europe and Britain who are inviting people to come here. Not a problem. But, the problem is they're placing an inordinate amount of people in places of high deprivation by English standards thereby adding to the burden on public services and the frustration in that local area.

They're not placing immigrants in rural, affluent areas; nor near the liberal city dweller types who think they're with the poor but wouldn't known poverty if it kicked them upside down. No, what they're doing is placing immigrants in places that are poor by English standards.

In the event a fair share was taken around the country then you wouldn't hear a peep out of people, but these politicians, of both European and British variety, are taking us for a ride. We're the ones who are expected to be 'tolerant' in areas of high deprivation, while they talk a good game but would run a mile if they lived anywhere near someone lacking a white face.

And, that's what this vote was. It was more of a vote against the British Government than anything. It just so happened that the EU are associated with them. It was a big **** you to all politicians who talk about equality and tolerance with our money.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hi Graham,

I found it terribly difficult to make a decision about whether to vote 'leave' or 'remain'. There were lies and scaremongering on both sides of the debate and political parties normally united on these types of issue were firmly divided.

I really wish Cameron had never offered us a referendum. We are a Representative Democracy, not a Direct Democracy and as such we are poorly equipped to make this sort of decision. A referendum is not even legally binding in the country and Cameron could well have ignored the outcome and carried on regardless.

Nigel and Boris are claiming to have put the 'great' back into Great Britain, but now it looks as though Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland will leave the union because they want to stay in the EU. Even if they don't leave the union, the nation is divided, anxious and fretful and all I can hear is the nauseating braying of those who backed 'leave' because they were listening to Boris and Nigel, and the guilty regretful gulps of those who voted 'leave' because of completely different reasons. The majority of the 'remain' camp are sad and dejected and a few, like yourself, are pragmatic and reflective.

Is it inappropriate to wish people a good weekend?

Julie

Poorly equipped to make a decision on our future?! You people are psychopaths.

You know what this vote was?

It wasn't even a vote against the EU.

It was won in the old industrial heartlands of the North and the Midlands, and it was a big **** you to the British Government, **** you to David Cameron and assorted toffs, a **** you to Europe, and most importantly a massive **** you to politicians of whatever persuasion.

They had a big plan. The problem with the big plan is that it always benefits them. We've seen in the North East how their plans affect us, so the vote was **** you Cameron, **** you British Government and **** all of your plans that don't consider us.

And, the best of it is, most of us here aren't even political. We've been down the pub laughing our cocks off at spoiling their big plans which usually involve having their own snouts in the trough and taking along with them the pantomime left-right false dichotomy.

[Robert]

For Pierre's benefit, here's that great Greek team that we all remember :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA

[Geddy2112]

...and there was, as it happens, nothing wrong with my use of English.

Apart from this bit -

'if I may make so bold as to say so'

I'm just trying to have a bit of light relief though, it's been a hell of a day. I was hoping all the lies and scaremongering would have stopped but no still going strong in the media! Have a great weekend..

[Graham]

Likewise..

'Appalling English, if I may be so bold as to say. All the lolly the EC is supposed to have spent on our education system doesn't seem to have filtered down to you.'

Fixed

Sorry, but I'm short-sighted......and there was, as it happens, nothing wrong with my use of English.

Graham

[John Wheat]

No

Graham

That's good to hear.

Cheers John