Madeleine McCann

[Abby Normal]

When their defenders can cite little beyond their account and the account of untraceable witnesses - further belittling a foreign police force with a subtextual "bloody foreigners" vibe - their case flounders and wilts.

and whatever happened to this german suspect the german authorities were so confident they nabbed? why arent they prosecuting him and or he being extradited? what a load of crap.

[Abby Normal]

She probably wasn't already dead, two separate nannies reported seeing her that day, one said she'd actually read Maddie a story on her lap or something on that day.

hey wallace. yeah i heard she was picked up at the child care around fivish that night but ive never actually heard it comfirmed by one of the child care workers. is this the nanny you refer too?

[WallaceWackedHer]

It continues to amaze me that none of the friends of the McCanns have revealed what really happened. Were they all drugging their children? Did any of the other children play with Maddie that day, or was she already dead? I’ve been waiting for one of the friends on vacation with the McCanns gets divorced and the left-behind spouse gets even with what they know or a family member, a son or daughter, gets in serious trouble and the parents need leverage. This is the only way the truth will come out. And so far, all the families are behaving. But children are growing up and things do happen.

She probably wasn't already dead, two separate nannies reported seeing her that day, one said she'd actually read Maddie a story on her lap or something on that day.

[kwanitaka]

It continues to amaze me that none of the friends of the McCanns have revealed what really happened. Were they all drugging their children? Did any of the other children play with Maddie that day, or was she already dead? I’ve been waiting for one of the friends on vacation with the McCanns gets divorced and the left-behind spouse gets even with what they know or a family member, a son or daughter, gets in serious trouble and the parents need leverage. This is the only way the truth will come out. And so far, all the families are behaving. But children are growing up and things do happen.

[Fantomas]

Those who think the McCanns did it need to come up with something a lot better than this. So Madeleine McCann dies in the apartment. What did they do with her body? Bear in mind the GNR Police looked all over the apartment and volunteers searched far and wide that night looking in bins and drains. And please don't say the ocean. No your vitriol is based around your disgust at leaving their children alone. I have never tried to defend that. But that does not mean they are guilty. No matter what feelings you may have on their body language during an interview. The PJ have cleared them of all suspicion but some just can't let it go. Oh its a big bad conspiracy, powerful friends, the British Government in on it as well as the Met Police. Now the Germans too. All one giant world conspiracy to protect two non entities nobody had ever heard of before their daughter disappeared.

When their defenders can cite little beyond their account and the account of untraceable witnesses - further belittling a foreign police force with a subtextual "bloody foreigners" vibe - their case flounders and wilts.

[Paddy]

Out of interest is there any record of the last sighting of the blue holdall ?

[WallaceWackedHer]

The simple fact is though the dogs are not evidence otherwise the McCanns would be in jail as the alerts in their apartment would condemn them. There is doubt over the accurracy of the science hence it is not admissible in court without corroborating evidence. None of which has ever been found.

I don't think it necessarily condemns them, but casts doubt on her having left the apartment unharmed or even alive. It does not necessarily suggest they did it or that they are involved.

The detectives found corroborating evidence from the alerts but police are currently refusing to re-test the data using the most modern methods which could determine whether or not the recovered DNA is Maddie. At the time it was done the technology could only provide an inconclusive result which IIRC showed it could be any of Maddie's blood relatives. I may have got that wrong.

Many things are inadmissible as evidence, people get off on bizarre technicalities. Although the alerts are not 100%, hence you cannot convict people on alerts, the DNA recovered could be analyzed again now and give a conclusive answer. This is not being done. The testing has been offered for free. The actual samples are not even needed, only the raw digitalized data.

There is no reason to not do this. I cannot understand.

It would not convict her parents in any case as it could be argued anyone who entered that apartment had attacked the girl and possibly killed her then taken away the body.

[Sunny Delight]

It's those SPECIFIC dogs though, their record is impeccable. I would be very wary of doubting them. There was evidence found to back them up but with the technology of the TIME they could only say the DNA recovered from the area of alert "might" be from Maddie but also maybe from another family member.

New tech could solve that with certainty, but it has not been implemented despite being offered for free.

The simple fact is though the dogs are not evidence otherwise the McCanns would be in jail as the alerts in their apartment would condemn them. There is doubt over the accurracy of the science hence it is not admissible in court without corroborating evidence. None of which has ever been found.

[Sunny Delight]

thanks al. they were indeed caught in the act. so no successful abductions of a child while vacationing? im sure its happened, but so rare as an exception that proves the rule.

and just to add. not only did the dog alert on the boot of her car, but her dna was found there as well. could be innocent transfer or could be her body was in it and or not innocent transfer... as in it was evidence they were getting rid of, perhaps something they used to clean up with or get rid of the body.

Madeleine McCanns DNA was not found in the car. Due to a translation mistake Amarel et al thought they had a smoking gun when in actual fact they had read the evidence wrongly and went down a blind alley. You still haven't answered my question either- what did the McCanns do with the body?

[WallaceWackedHer]

The dogs alerts are not evidence. They can only prompt for investigative work to be done. The dogs are not infalliable. They need coroborating evidence to back up their alerts. Nothing was ever found to back up them up.

A lot of paper talk at the moment in regards the suspect. How much is true is very difficult to ascertain. What we do seem to know is that he can be placed in Praia da Luz that evening at 7:30pm, he had a history of indecency with children, he re-registered his car the next day to a friend in Germany despite him still driving it in Portugal, he lived a transient lifestyle and he was on the initial PJ suspect list but slipped through the net and was never questioned.

No smoking gun but a very good start.

It's those SPECIFIC dogs though, their record is impeccable. I would be very wary of doubting them. There was evidence found to back them up but with the technology of the TIME they could only say the DNA recovered from the area of alert "might" be from Maddie but also maybe from another family member.

New tech could solve that with certainty, but it has not been implemented despite being offered for free.

[Abby Normal]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/585294/Gang-child-smugglers-dress-up-waiters-try-snatch-British-children-Cyprus-hotel-resort

Thankfully, these people got caught. Holiday abduction is rare, but not impossible.

thanks al. they were indeed caught in the act. so no successful abductions of a child while vacationing? im sure its happened, but so rare as an exception that proves the rule.

and just to add. not only did the dog alert on the boot of her car, but her dna was found there as well. could be innocent transfer or could be her body was in it and or not innocent transfer... as in it was evidence they were getting rid of, perhaps something they used to clean up with or get rid of the body.

[Sunny Delight]

how many cases have there been when a child is abducted while on vacation/holiday by a stranger? I dont know of any-it rarely, if ever, happens.
the sad reality is that most missing/murdered children are killed by a family member or friend and when they ARE abducted by a stranger it always happens from or near their home.

Rarely does not mean never.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

how many cases have there been when a child is abducted while on vacation/holiday by a stranger? I dont know of any-it rarely, if ever, happens.
the sad reality is that most missing/murdered children are killed by a family member or friend and when they ARE abducted by a stranger it always happens from or near their home.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/585294/Gang-child-smugglers-dress-up-waiters-try-snatch-British-children-Cyprus-hotel-resort

Thankfully, these people got caught. Holiday abduction is rare, but not impossible.

[Abby Normal]

how many cases have there been when a child is abducted while on vacation/holiday by a stranger? I dont know of any-it rarely, if ever, happens.
the sad reality is that most missing/murdered children are killed by a family member or friend and when they ARE abducted by a stranger it always happens from or near their home.

[Sunny Delight]

There is dead body scent in the locations alerted to, I think the dogs got it right. They also recovered "inconclusive" forensic evidence which with modern technology they could be conclusive with.

Though the parents are both in the medical field, and any potential intruder may have carried such scent with them as well depending on what they've done.

People forget how miniscule the scent particles dogs pick up on are. Such little amounts even the most modern human technology is unable to detect it.

Someone has taken her away in any case.

I believe Michael B, according to a witness, said he had a "horrible job to do", which to me sounds like it wasn't something he himself wanted to do out of pure free will, maybe money.

I heard he got a big expensive winnebago thing soon after the murder.

The dogs alerts are not evidence. They can only prompt for investigative work to be done. The dogs are not infalliable. They need coroborating evidence to back up their alerts. Nothing was ever found to back up them up.

A lot of paper talk at the moment in regards the suspect. How much is true is very difficult to ascertain. What we do seem to know is that he can be placed in Praia da Luz that evening at 7:30pm, he had a history of indecency with children, he re-registered his car the next day to a friend in Germany despite him still driving it in Portugal, he lived a transient lifestyle and he was on the initial PJ suspect list but slipped through the net and was never questioned.

No smoking gun but a very good start.