Madeleine McCann

[caz]

well its all over the news and different news outlets and has been followed up with reports of the german prosecutor saying it was sent and not understanding why they havent received it yet so if its fake news its a conspiracy thats lasting days.

So what sinister reason could the McCanns have for pretending the letter never arrived, if it did? Couldn't the prosecutor simply send another, this time 'signed for' delivery? They must have a copy of it if it exists.

Confused Caz
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[caz]

You still misunderstand what I'm saying, SD.

Yes, I agree he had 'something' to hide - but we don't know yet if it was more than a history of offending which would immediately have made him a suspect back in 2007 if he had drawn attention to himself.

Love,

Caz
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[Sunny Delight]

All I would say is that it is now 2020, and Maddie went missing 13 years ago in 2007, so it would seem that a man with a history re-registering his car to avoid drawing immediate attention to himself and becoming a suspect was not such a bad plan at the time!

Love,

Caz
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Yes it was a good plan. But you are suggesting he may have done it due to fear of becoming a suspect. I am saying I think he did it because he had something to hide.

[Abby Normal]

To be fair, Abby, I thought I read that this was fake news and such a letter was never sent.

It did sound rather premature and unlikely to me that the German police would write to the parents at this early stage of the renewed investigation to say their daughter was probably dead.

Love,

Caz
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well its all over the news and different news outlets and has been followed up with reports of the german prosecutor saying it was sent and not understanding why they havent received it yet so if its fake news its a conspiracy thats lasting days.

[caz]

now its in the news that the mcanns are saying they never received the letter from the german prosecutor. good grief.

To be fair, Abby, I thought I read that this was fake news and such a letter was never sent.

It did sound rather premature and unlikely to me that the German police would write to the parents at this early stage of the renewed investigation to say their daughter was probably dead.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Hi Caz. I am not convinced such an action would not be more suspicious. Indeed if one was innocent surely you would be quite happy for the Police to search your van and home for DNA as with nothing to hide it should all be clean. Re-registering your car to someone in a different country is far more problematic to explain. Fear of becoming a suspect I don't feel is plausible. I think that is a key bit of evidence that this man had something to hide in regards Madeleine McCann but what exactly we might never know.

All I would say is that it is now 2020, and Maddie went missing 13 years ago in 2007, so it would seem that a man with a history re-registering his car to avoid drawing immediate attention to himself and becoming a suspect was not such a bad plan at the time!

Love,

Caz
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[Abby Normal]

now its in the news that the mcanns are saying they never received the letter from the german prosecutor. good grief.

[Sunny Delight]

Hi SD,

No problem with anything you write here, except to say that it would seem obvious to me that the first thing everyone with any history of indecent assault or child abuse would do, on hearing news of a missing child, would be to cover their arse if they had a vehicle in the area. An enquiry of this sort will inevitably appeal for witnesses to describe vehicles they have seen, parked or driven. Suspicious behaviour, yes of course, which needs to be investigated, but it's not proof of anything if there were dozens of people with similar reasons for needing to avoid police attention.

Love,

Caz
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Hi Caz. I am not convinced such an action would not be more suspicious. Indeed if one was innocent surely you would be quite happy for the Police to search your van and home for DNA as with nothing to hide it should all be clean. Re-registering your car to someone in a different country is far more problematic to explain. Fear of becoming a suspect I don't feel is plausible. I think that is a key bit of evidence that this man had something to hide in regards Madeleine McCann but what exactly we might never know.

[caz]

Hi SD,

No problem with anything you write here, except to say that it would seem obvious to me that the first thing everyone with any history of indecent assault or child abuse would do, on hearing news of a missing child, would be to cover their arse if they had a vehicle in the area. An enquiry of this sort will inevitably appeal for witnesses to describe vehicles they have seen, parked or driven. Suspicious behaviour, yes of course, which needs to be investigated, but it's not proof of anything if there were dozens of people with similar reasons for needing to avoid police attention.

Love,

Caz
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[Sunny Delight]

Hi SD,

All I was saying is that while the re-registering of the car and the phone call is on the surface cause for concern and suspicion, both could turn out to have explanations that don't involve the suspect in Maddie's disappearance. The phone call could be entirely innocent [until proved otherwise], while the car business could have been the hasty overreaction of a man with a history, to hearing that a child had been abducted the previous evening. Everyone in that resort must have been buzzing the following day with news like that. And anyone could have become a suspect. If the police have the right man, terrific. We can only hope they can make the case watertight.

Where is this 'constant vitriol' still being aimed at the McCanns? They made a terrible mistake, which had the most devastating personal consequences. But if it teaches parents not to leave their most precious possessions alone in future, that's about the only positive to come out of their mistake. You're never going to stop a child abuser wanting to try their luck, but you can do your level best to make it as difficult as possible.

Love,

Caz
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Absolutely the re-registering of the car could have an innocent explaination though I am struggling to think of one. We have to put ourselves into the day after the disappearance. It wasn't even until that night that the McCanns did an impromptu statement. The rumours I am sure would have been swirling around PDL all day but think as CB would have. To re-register your car as belonging to a friend living in Germany because you fear that you will be suspected of involvement in a missing child case because you have previous for indecency with children is not plausible in my opinion. And so what other excuse could there be? It is hard to think of one that doesn't stretch the rules of credibility. A fear that the van may have been seen by an eyewitness seems a much more plausible theory. And so if a check was done on the registration it would come up as being owned by someone living in Germany- or so the suspects thinking may have went. Conjecture on my part but likely?

Yes I do think the McCanns still receive much vitriol especially online. I won't defend their actions in leaving a toddler and two babies in an unlocked Apartment but nothing anyone can say or the judgement which they can pass could be any worse than the McCanns feel I am quite sure. Abduction of children is rare. Abduction when on holiday even rarer and abduction from your hotel room when sleeping still rarer again. The case that stands out though as something quite similar is the Alesha McPhail case. A man who went to the flat to buy drugs but took the opportunity to abduct a 5 year old from her bed and I don't even want to talk about after that. But maybe with Madeleine McCann a man went to rob the apartment but took the opportunity to abduct a 3 almost 4 year old.

[Abby Normal]

lets hope if this german lead pans out they catch without a doubt the person responsible IF she was abducted and what her fate was-maybe . I still think the parents probably did it but of course it still could have been an abduction, especially since the mcanns made it so fraking easy for one if there was an abductor. So while this looks like a possible lead im not holding my breath. Unfortunately these pedophiles are literally everywhere. Ive seen hundreds of cases like this where a family member (or freind) was responsible and almost all of them have some pedophile suspect who "was in the area at the time" who ended up having nothing to do with it. same goes for the burgler/break ins theory ("there were many break ins in the neighborhood in the previous months")blah blah blah. These troglodytes are everywhere. we'll see but i doubt anything comes of it.

[caz]

Hi SD,

All I was saying is that while the re-registering of the car and the phone call is on the surface cause for concern and suspicion, both could turn out to have explanations that don't involve the suspect in Maddie's disappearance. The phone call could be entirely innocent [until proved otherwise], while the car business could have been the hasty overreaction of a man with a history, to hearing that a child had been abducted the previous evening. Everyone in that resort must have been buzzing the following day with news like that. And anyone could have become a suspect. If the police have the right man, terrific. We can only hope they can make the case watertight.

Where is this 'constant vitriol' still being aimed at the McCanns? They made a terrible mistake, which had the most devastating personal consequences. But if it teaches parents not to leave their most precious possessions alone in future, that's about the only positive to come out of their mistake. You're never going to stop a child abuser wanting to try their luck, but you can do your level best to make it as difficult as possible.

Love,

Caz
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[Sunny Delight]

Hi All,

While I really hope something will come of this new lead, there will have to be some really solid evidence to link the suspect with the victim [cctv or DNA] and/or a confession, or it could all end up being a circumstantial case that can't even get to court. There has been talk over the years about the resort attracting child abusers by its very nature, in which case the suspect may have been one of several in the general vicinity while the McCanns were there on holiday with their three very young children. The fact that he was on his phone to someone on the evening that Maddie was reported missing is not in itself particularly useful information, unless it can be ascertained who was on the other end and whether the reason for the call was suspicious or sinister. And once the news broke that a young girl had gone missing, anyone who thought they might become a suspect, and would then be questioned about other offences they may have committed, would probably have taken steps like this one did when he re registered his vehicle.

Whatever we as individuals think of the McCanns, for leaving all three of their children vulnerable, I'm sure they only want the right person or persons found and brought to justice for whatever happened to Maddie while they were dining with their friends.

Love,

Caz
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The constant vitriol aimed at the McCanns is fairly disturbing to me to be honest. Most or all of it is hyperbole with little evidence to back it up- just wild theories that make Trump look sane. The re-registering of the car seems to be very odd. To do so because a day after the little girl goes missing, you think due to your history, you may become a suspect in what was not yet the household story we have now, is not plausible in my honest opinion. Maybe it was coincidence but it does seem suspicious especially considering he was still driving it but it was registered to someone in Germany. And the fact he received a phone call is significant in the sense it places the suspect in Praia da Luz at half 7 that night. Obviously maybe even the crucial piece is who actually phoned him. But it is all circumstantial as yet. What else the Police have we just don't know.

A lone intruder who took Madeleine McCann on a spur of the moment looks like the scenario the Police are working on. The German Police also believe that the call to the phone at half 7 may have been an Ocean Club employee tipping the suspect off about which rooms would be free to rob that night. I see this as most likely now at this stage.

[Sunny Delight]

Yah, I agree. He's a good lead, and like many good leads it will either lead to a solution, or it will fizzle out and he'll be shown to be not involved. Until the work is done, though, we won't know. The press finds it a good story to present him as if he's already guilty, though they are often careful to point out the evidence is not conclusive, etc. It will take months, I suspect, before any real update to this occurs. But for everybody's sake, particularly Maddie and her parents, a solution would be the best outcome.

- Jeff

Yeah I think thats a fair summary Jeff. The press of course love a good story and have set about speaking to various people who claim to have known or associated with the suspect. He had scary eyes. He was a strange man. He got weird when talking about Madeleine McCann. All totally worthless stuff really. The Police obviously think they have enough on this guy for him to become the prime suspect so certainly they must have something to go on.

[caz]

Hi All,

While I really hope something will come of this new lead, there will have to be some really solid evidence to link the suspect with the victim [cctv or DNA] and/or a confession, or it could all end up being a circumstantial case that can't even get to court. There has been talk over the years about the resort attracting child abusers by its very nature, in which case the suspect may have been one of several in the general vicinity while the McCanns were there on holiday with their three very young children. The fact that he was on his phone to someone on the evening that Maddie was reported missing is not in itself particularly useful information, unless it can be ascertained who was on the other end and whether the reason for the call was suspicious or sinister. And once the news broke that a young girl had gone missing, anyone who thought they might become a suspect, and would then be questioned about other offences they may have committed, would probably have taken steps like this one did when he re registered his vehicle.

Whatever we as individuals think of the McCanns, for leaving all three of their children vulnerable, I'm sure they only want the right person or persons found and brought to justice for whatever happened to Maddie while they were dining with their friends.

Love,

Caz
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