JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

Emotive language consistent with the fanatic who sees his world disintegrating around him.

There is no convincing evidence that LHO killed once, never mind twice. So he is not a double murderer in legal terms. Anything else is malicious conjecture.

In addition, LHO did not choose to avoid justice: that decision was made on his behalf by person sympathetic to HS'
argument. Search the files and see if HS has ever called Jack Ruby the same names he calls LHO. He hates Oswald with a vengeance; but he does nor hate Jack Ruby. Jack was his man. HS is proud, it seems to me, that Ruby denied Oswald the right to justice.

I am happy to stand corrected.

You are completly correct , LHO was never found guilty of killing anyone, nor is there one shread of ''Concrete'' evidence that he killed the President or officer Tippett.

Oswald was nothing more than a patsy ,just as he said .

[scottnapa]

Previously discussed on the Mystery Man story:
When the tapes and photo arrive in Dallas The FBI realizes the picture and voice do not match Oswald. Alan Belmont instructed the Dallas FBI to show the picture of the Mystery Man to Marina Oswald. On the evening of the 23^rd, FBI agent Odum when to the Executive Inn, a motel, and knocked. Marguerite cracked the door. She refused to admit the agent in the room, saying Marina was in the bathtub. Odum showed the picture to Marguerite Oswald who over reacted when she thought it was Jack Ruby in that photo. The CIA knew who the Mystery Man was when the photo was sent to Dallas, as per stated in the CIA memo of November 22, 1963 from Win Scott in Mexico City to JC King in Langley. The CIA had pictures of the real Oswald. as per the HSCA testimony of CIA agents Watson & Piccolo. The CIA knew this to be a mediocre choice as an Oswald imposter, as no one would be fooled. Henry OSWALD is 35 years old, 6 foot, athletic, balding top, looks American, wearing khaki. He speaks broken Russian, some Spanish. The real Lee Harvey Oswald is 22, 135 pounds, 5 foot 9 inches tall, Slender; Oswald is fluent in Russian, The real Lee Oswald can barely navigate a menu in the Mexican restaurant.

The documents included here shows the FPCC activities in New Orleans as a precursor to the political theater in Mexico City. On August 9^th 1963, Oswald was arrested for disturbing the peace on the streets of New Orleans. Oswald requested to speak with the FBI and was interviewed in jail by agent John Quigley. Over a month later on Sept 30^th, Agent Kaack sends a memo to the CIA, the same day Oswald visits the Soviet Embassy. The Mystery Man visited the Soviet Embassy on several days some after Oswald had left Mexico. On the 8th, Win Scott sends a internal memo about “Lee Oswald” but Scott physically describes the Mystery Man.
On October 9th the FBI removes Oswald from the FBI watch list. Oswald is deemed a non threat to internal security. (Gheesling would be censured by Hoover post-assassination.) . The FBI is covering Oswald with a cloak. Why? Even prior to assassination, it seems a questionable decision as Oswald. a declared Marxist, who the FBI knows writes to Gus Hall at Communist Party USA, who goes to the Soviet Embassy and ‘meets’ an Embassy official, Kostokov. who is believed to be a member of the KGB Dept 13.
Oddly, the FBI presents two words in the first sentence that lack context and clarity. Oswald (maybe identical), These words just hang at the end, no punctuation and no context for the inclusion. Why would this FBI document say Lee Harvey Oswald “ maybe identical” ? Is the FBI using Oswald? Yes. Hosty said Oswald was a PSI (Potential Security Informant) per HSCA testimony. The FBI engages in espionage in the United States and over seas. Unfortunately, the FBI is not as skilled at counterintelligence as the CIA. The special FBI source at this time is, FEDORA a Russian spy posing as a double agent. There are FBI personnel at every American embassy, the Mexico City presence is the largest FBI force located outside the United States. As Mexico and Canada are significant avenues of illegal entry and immigration into the US, On paper the CIA is supposed to allow the FBI to observe, handle and, if needed, arrest Americans in Mexico City. In reality, the CIA does what it pleases, knowing the FBI vulnerabilities.
On Oct 10^th an external memo from Elsie Scaleti is signed off by Jane Roman was sent to FBI, Dept of State and the Navy. This memo uses the following language: “Lee Oswald who is may be identical to Lee Henry Oswald.

This astonishing non -coincidence implies a co-ordinated plan for using Oswald. This is not proof of Oswald being a CIA asset. It does led to the conclusion that the Mystery Man is a CIA asset.
Lee Henry Oswald, is a file not a person; the Lee HENRY Oswald 201 file is created on 9 Dec 1960; a year and two months after the Lee H Oswald 201 file is created on 13 Oct 1959.
There are FBI personnel at every American embassy, the Mexico City presence is the largest FBI force located outside the United States. As Mexico and Canada are significant avenues of illegal entry and immigration into the US, On paper the CIA is supposed to allow the FBI to observe, handle and, if needed, arrest Americans in Mexico City. In reality, the CIA does what it pleases, knowing the FBI vulnerabilities.

[Herlock Sholmes]

… but sadly the double-murdering, traitor scum Lee Harvled ey Oswald avoided justice and has now become a posthumous hero for some who are on some kind of warped mission.

I am not sure that dying in public qualifies as “avoiding justice”
The starting point for many in my generation is the killing of Oswald on TV.
I had seen lots of TV deaths, Cowboys and Indians, Nazis and Japs.
I had never seen a real person die. It was a shock on many levels.
My primary takeaway was that Oswald was the “Indian” in this show, as he was surrounded by Cowboys. It wasn’t a killing, it was a televised murder.

As a youth, my initial response was sympathy for the ambushed victim. I assumed Oswald was innocent. A patsy, as he proclaimed.
I have found FBI malfeasance as the agency conceals & camouflages evidence & CIA malfeasance as the agency deflects, cloaks & obstructs evidence & Warren Commission malfeasance as it glosses over uncomfortable facts and whitewashes unfriendly witnesses.
I have never claimed Oswald was innocent in the assasination of JFK. He is no hero.
I don’t believe I have ever seen this “hero” word used to describe
My idea of a hero is John Whitten. (SCELSO)

That the FBI and CIA lie and do things that we might not approve of isn’t proof of a conspiracy Scott. There is no proof of Warren Commission malfeasance. We can look to Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

This is a huge problem in this case. It’s so huge and wide-reaching and it involves so many people and so many different events (Many of which occurred fleetingly) it should be no surprise to any of us that we get errors, coincidences, discrepancies, coincidences and even lies. So we are on the most fertile ground ever for a conspiracy theory instead of considering the obvious - that a disaffected former defector (who was looking to defect a second time) changed his usual plans on the day of the murder, who by leaving his ring and a large sum of money (not to mention refuses to talk politics with Marina for the first time) acts suspiciously, who for the first time ever carries a large package to his place of work, who makes unusual efforts to flee Dealey Plaza and not be seen going into his rooming house. Who picks up a gun and just happens to pass the scene where Officer Tippit was killed and that unluckily for him around 10 people tell us that the killer looked just like Oswald.

His guilty behaviour, his guns, his prints, ID’d for the Tippit murder, seen on the 6th floor, spotted at the window, lied about owning a rifle previous attempt on Wallace……..come on….this is obvious. Without the silly ideas about planting and framing and the worlds most ludicrously complex conspiracy ever which was performed by people who were a) massively influential over the nations institutions, and b) monumentally stupid, a jury would convict him in 5 minutes. Open and shut.

There’s an assumption of conspiracy, followed by a search for ‘connections’ the vast majority of which don’t exist in reality. It’s people doing a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces so they ‘complete’ it by manufacturing their own missing pieces to fill the gaps. Ruby wasn’t a mobster for example. He was a night club owner so of course he would have known some people who were connected but conspiracy theorist take it further and treat him as if he’s Carlo Gambino. What I can never get is the sheer volume of crazed theories which are easily exposed and yet there are a significant number of CT’s who aren’t deterred in the slightest. No one seems to say “hold on, why does this subject gather around itself so many crazy, far-fetched, disprovable theories and a collection of attention-seeking loonies like Beverley Oliver, Roger Craig and Ed Hoffman.” No one is concerned about liars like Garrison, Lane, Groden etc. Why does the message never sink in that this is just a game? A hobby. Just stand around and wait for the next dumb theory to come along.

[Fiver]

Not true. The bullet hole in Connallys jacket shows an entrance wound from a seperate shooter. Plus it matches what Connally said HE experienced from his hospital bed. Live interview. . Plus the bullet in Kennedys shirt does not align with the jacket or timing of the shots.

People can believe what they want but I think Connally, the victim, would actually know.

Connally believed that there were three shots, that they all came from behind, and that Oswald was the shooter. That means you disagree with Connally more than I do.

The hole on Connally's jacket is oblong, not round, showing the bullet was tumbling before it struck him. Reconstruction that uses the actual positions of both men show that a single bullet could have struck both men. Kennedy's clothing shows "bullet wipe", which shows that the back wound was an entrance wound.

[Fiver]

There is no convincing evidence that LHO killed once, never mind twice. So he is not a double murderer in legal terms. Anything else is malicious conjecture.

It's a slam dunk that Oswald killed Officer JD Tippet. JFK was killed by a man who resembled Oswald, firing from Oswald's workplace, using Oswald's rifle.

In addition, LHO did not choose to avoid justice: that decision was made on his behalf by person sympathetic to HS' argument.

Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officer, which is an attempt to avid justice. Oswald fled the scene of the JFK shooting, which was an attempt to avoid justice.

[Fiver]

The majority of the witnesses the warren commision let testify .

Not so the many that heard more than 3 shots and where they came from .

2% of the witnesses heard 1 shot.
12% of the witnesses heard 2 shots.
80% of the witnesses heard 3 shots.
5% of the witnesses heard 4 or more shots.

A more detailed tabulation on number of shots shows that out of 178 witnesses:
* 6 thought there were 4 shots.
* 1 thought there were 4 or 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 6 shots.
* 1 thought there were 8 shots.

[Fiver]

You are completly correct , LHO was never found guilty of killing anyone, nor is there one shread of ''Concrete'' evidence that he killed the President or officer Tippett.

Oswald was nothing more than a patsy ,just as he said .

Proving Oswald killed Officer Tippet is a slam dunk. He was seen and identified by multiple witnesses killing Tippet or fleeing the scene. Oswald had a handgun on him when arrested and he was seen and identified by multiple witnesses resisting arrest ad trying to us the handgun in the police. Forensics matched the gun to the used shells discarded by the gunman and to the bullets that killed Officer Tippet.

Oswald cannot be a patsy.

[Fiver]

That's what I've been thinking, too, Fiver. After all, the Carcano is at the root of thinking there was a conspiracy. Had it been a faster firing rifle, they would at least have avoided something that would have been easy to avoid.

You'd think that a Conspiracy that could afford to bribe or intimidate dozens of people and forge ballistics, fingerprint, photographic, and X-ray evidence could have afforded a better rifle. Or at least a full clip for the Caracano.

[cobalt]

JFK was killed by a man who resembled Oswald, firing from Oswald's workplace, using Oswald's rifle.

I think that claim rests on the Brennan sighting whose subsequent ID was less than convincing. Brennan's hysteria about a Communist plot -in Dallas of all places- stands testimony to his credibility.

Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officer, which is an attempt to avid justice. Oswald fled the scene of the JFK shooting, which was an attempt to avoid justice.

Whoever shot Tippit did a bit more than try to shoot him.
The myth that Oswald 'fled' the TSBD is not supported by a single witness. A policeman believed he encountered Oswald on the 2nd floor in the lunch room, not scurrying down the stairs. A news reporter believes Oswald directed him to a pay phone on the ground floor. Not a single person inside the TSBD remembered seeing Oswald running from the building. He probably left pretty sharpish after the assassination (and he may have had good reason to) but that is not the same as fleeing the scene.

[Herlock Sholmes]

2% of the witnesses heard 1 shot.
12% of the witnesses heard 2 shots.
80% of the witnesses heard 3 shots.
5% of the witnesses heard 4 or more shots.

A more detailed tabulation on number of shots shows that out of 178 witnesses:
* 6 thought there were 4 shots.
* 1 thought there were 4 or 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 5 shots.
* 1 thought there were 6 shots.
* 1 thought there were 8 shots.

These are inconvenient facts Fiver. Therefore no response is likely.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Proving Oswald killed Officer Tippet is a slam dunk. He was seen and identified by multiple witnesses killing Tippet or fleeing the scene. Oswald had a handgun on him when arrested and he was seen and identified by multiple witnesses resisting arrest ad trying to us the handgun in the police. Forensics matched the gun to the used shells discarded by the gunman and to the bullets that killed Officer Tippet.

Oswald cannot be a patsy.

It’s impossible that Oswald didn’t kill Tippit. We are supposedly living in the real world Fiver but sometimes it just doesn’t feel like it.

[Doctored Whatsit]

The myth that Oswald 'fled' the TSBD is not supported by a single witness. A policeman believed he encountered Oswald on the 2nd floor in the lunch room, not scurrying down the stairs. A news reporter believes Oswald directed him to a pay phone on the ground floor. Not a single person inside the TSBD remembered seeing Oswald running from the building. He probably left pretty sharpish after the assassination (and he may have had good reason to) but that is not the same as fleeing the scene.

This is all about our interpretation of the words "to flee". Obviously he didn't run, because that would have attracted attention and therefore suspicion. He left the building fairly briskly, without delaying, and his actions demonstrated clearly that he was trying to cover up his movements and that he had no intention of returning. What exactly he was trying to do is something of a mystery, but he wasn't returning to work.

[cobalt]

I can't argue with that. 'Fairly briskly' is as accurate as we can agree upon but a tad short of 'fled.'

As for the real world, let's look at Oswald's athletic prowess. He left his rooming house at 1.03pm by best estimate and reliable witnesses time the Tippit shooting at 1.10pm. His alleged route is not known but is generally accepted as measuring 1.6km, which means LHO walked close to Olympic standard. In 1964 dear old Reg Matthews of GBR won the 20 km walk but it would have taken him 7.2 minutes to cover the distance that Oswald did in 7 minutes straight.

Of course it is easier to walk fast over such a shorter distance but Oswald was never described as athletic, was not in training and was wearing a zipped up jacket containing, so we are told, a revolver and some spare ammunition. Even if we accept the later timing of 1.12pm, had Oswald sustained that speed he would still have finished 25th in the 1964 20 km walk. Since no one ever saw him jogging or running we have to assume he was walking, as described by witnesses who saw the interaction with Tippit. Which rules out Oswald walking to the scene of the Tippit murder.

Thus doesn't necessarily rule out Oswald as the killer of Tippit, but it indicates he was driven to the scene (for reasons unknown) thereby suggesting a conspiracy. Either that or Oswald was in the cinema whilst the drama was unfolding, as seems most likely to me.