JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Lewis C]

Two things here.
Do I trust any government to not lie ? No
Do I think this Administration can straighten out the CIA ? They said they were so will have to see.

As a note. The CIA in the 50's and 60's under Dulles had taken over the role of Department of State and was setting Foriegn Policy. Another reason JFK wanted to break up the CIA and fired Dulles. They were using assassinations fir regime change and the Kennedy brothers were going to stop it.

This administration has already demonstrated how they do things, so no need to wait and see any longer. When they say they want to straighten something out, that means replacing relatively non-partisan people with people who will provide greater fealty to the president.

The Kennedy brothers weren't trying to stop assassinations. They tried to assassinate Castro, and JFK supported a coup in South Vietnam that lead to their leader's assassination. JFK didn't want him assassinated, but it was a foreseeable outcome of the coup.

[scottnapa]

The current US Administration has described the CIA as worse than anyone can imagine. It would be highly unlikely to find any admission by the CIA or FBI in documents beyond tbe documents that admit to knowing who Oswald was. Oswald was being monitored by the FBI before the Assassination. Both agencies knew who he was before the assassination.

There are documents related to Oswalds time in Atsuki Japan and the U2 project. There are documents that show Oswald was in Russian speaking and writing school courtesy of the US Marines. There are documents showing his time in the Soviet Union. It was the height of the Cold War and any idea that Oswald was a Marine, trained in Russian, and just allowed to defect would, in my mind, be ludicrous.

There are many documents regarding all of the work Jim Garrison did and the CIA documents that analyze his interviews with the NYTimes and others in May 1967. Its hard to dispute the ties of CIA- Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie considering Ferrie was Oswalds boss in the Civil Air Patrol in New Orleans or the relationship between Carlos Marcello, Johnny Roselli and David Ferrie.

The CIA Oswald Webster and was into serious regime change in the 50s, 60's and possibly the 70's. It seems bizarre to think the Military Intelligence community would let one of their own military men, working on U2 in Japan, just go off to Russis. A very hard pill to swallow.

Oswalds defection and return without being debriefed dispells that for me.

The CIA debriefing of Oswald was handled by Andy Anderson. Oswald is more likely an ONI dangle not CIA.
The most suspicious aspects of Oswald's defection are Helsinki, Albert Switzerland College and going to the American Embassy.
The Russian Embassy in Helsinki is the only place in the world where a same day visa can be obtained to enter the USSR. Not common knowledge.

Albert Schweitzer College was an experimental school not a traditional degree-granting four year college. It was non-accredited and very small with less than 50 students and a few staff members. Not common knowledge.How did Lee Oswald find out about this "school"? The school was unknown to the Swiss police. The school didn't advertise. The only influx of applicants came from word of mouth and Friends of Albert Schweitzer College.

Oswald Robert Edward Webster and Nicolas Petrulli all went to the American Embassy in Moscow to declare their intentions to expatriate, and all three returned to America, safely and with less difficulty than these other defectors who did not go the Moscow Embassy: Charles Lucas, Sgt. Joseph Durtkanicz, Sgt Lewis Henry Jones, Pvt Vladimir Sloboda, William H. Martin, Bernon Mitchell, none made an appearance at American embassy and all died without returning to America. Sgt Fletcher spend 22 years in a Stazi defector "village". Mollie and Morris Block defected as a couple, and luckily they were interviewed by a correspondent from the New York Times in Odessa. Otherwise their defection might have lasted as long as Sgt. Fletcher.
Bruce Frederick Davis is the defector that may be a dangle like Oswald or Webster. Davis defected. He did not speak Russian, knew no one in Russia, refused Soviet citizenship and made numerous unauthorized trips including Russian air bases. He returns to America after three years.

[FISHY1118]

Hi Scott, I find your information and research very impressive, thanks for posting it ,

It certainly helps to promote this thread, and in my opinion helps bring to light that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t the "lone nut gunman " people have been led to believe via the Warren Commission "cover up" report.

[scottnapa]

Hi Scott, I find your information and research very impressive, thanks for posting it ,

It certainly helps to promote this thread, and in my opinion helps bring to light that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t the "lone nut gunman " people have been led to believe via the Warren Commission "cover up" report.

Thank you. I am still learning.
The comments of Dr Curtis of Parkland Hospital describing the head wound as frontal should have gotten more publicity.

[scottnapa]

An eariler comment was made linking a CIA involvement with Oswald In Mexico City with a CIA involvement in New Orleans.
The CIA in Mexico City want to have the President of Mexico to not recognize the Castro Government.
The CIA wants to instill fear in the Mexican ruling class. that a Cuban inspired Communist revolution in Mexico would rob them of their wealth.
I see the OSWALD protest and arrest in New Orleans as part of a FBI effort to embarrass the FPCC. The CIA very interested in DRE international affairs, .\
and less interested in a domestic FPCC.
OSWALD in New Orleans is public. There is no reason for a TV news station to film a one person protest. The Hoover loves publicity.
The FBI had access to all of Oswald's correspondence with the FPCC. The FBI had its own source, inside the group's office, which it used to copy both correspondence, and the FPCC's membership and mailing lists. The FBI routinely prepared intelligence updates on the FPCC and copied the CIA on much of that information. Oswald wrote to Vincent T. Lee, head of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New York:

In regards to my efforts to start a branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans…I rented an office as planned and was promptly closed 3 days later for some obsure [sic] reasons by the renters, they said something about remodeling, ect. [sic] I'm sure you understand after that I worked out of a post office box and by useing [sic] street demonstrations and some circular work have substained [sic] a great deal of interest but no new members. Through the efforts of some cuban-exial [sic] 'gusanos' a street demonstration was attacked and we were oficialy [sic] cautioned by the police.

This August 1, 1963 letter, postmarked August 4, describes a street demonstration and physical confrontation. However, the confrontaion on Canal Street happens on August 9th, substantiating the idea that the protest and arrest of Oswald is political theater.

Asking to talk to an FBI agent is NOT typical for any American, much less a proclaimed Marxist Communist. Oswald offers to inform on the New Orleans FPCC chapter to FBI Agent Quigley. Why would Oswald volunteer to betray a notional New Orleans committee of one? The FBI finds no Hidell. No group. Oswald is not a political activist; he is a street performer protester.

[FISHY1118]

Thank you. I am still learning.
The comments of Dr Curtis of Parkland Hospital describing the head wound as frontal should have gotten more publicity.

Indeed it should have . As should have everything that was mentioned on the day that the W.C thought didn't matter.

[Herlock Sholmes]

No one impersonated Oswald. As has been pointed out numerous times if you want to ‘impersonate’ someone you don’t choose someone that looks absolutely nothing like him. This was simply a case of mistaken identity. Read Shenon.

[Herlock Sholmes]

60 years on, theory after theory and now all of these released files and guess what? Still not an iota of evidence of a plot. Not a smidgeon. Not a scintilla. And still not even one piece of paper proving that Oswald was a CIA operative. How could this fantasy still be active? Tenacity and obsession over reason, evidence and common sense. Conspiracy is a big game played jointly by hobbyists and those that make a living from it.

Way past time to let this embarrassment go. Time removed this fantasy ‘burden’ from the American people. It’s gone on too long.

[cobalt]

''No one impersonated Oswald. As has been pointed out numerous times if you want to ‘impersonate’ someone you don’t choose someone that looks absolutely nothing like him.''

J.Edgar Hoover believed that Oswald was impersonated- by telephone and by someone that sounded nothing like him. So it does happen.

''Way past time to let this embarrassment go. Time removed this fantasy ‘burden’ from the American people. It’s gone on too long.''

It's not a burden to those in power otherwise they would open all their files. They can live with conspiracy theories since, I presume, the unvarnished truth is more dangerous to them. From my perspective you are asking for the public to condone a coup d'etat in order to avoid embarrassment to those who benefitted by it and their supporters who have acquiesced in it.

[Patrick Differ]

This administration has already demonstrated how they do things, so no need to wait and see any longer. When they say they want to straighten something out, that means replacing relatively non-partisan people with people who will provide greater fealty to the president.

The Kennedy brothers weren't trying to stop assassinations. They tried to assassinate Castro, and JFK supported a coup in South Vietnam that lead to their leader's assassination. JFK didn't want him assassinated, but it was a foreseeable outcome of the coup.

Lewis- the wait and see refers to document review and follow up if needed. There is fealty in every administration as well as corruption. Deep State or bureacracy within Departments and Agencies is another story. Truth is sometimes elusive but nothing wrong with pursuit.

JFK and RFK had no idea that the State Department was a puppet to the CIA and that Foriegn Policy was being conducted by CIA and not State. They wanted to move away from Dulles and CIA and rebuild the State Department. Regime change through assassination they definately did not want as Policy. Some things were in play when JFK came in. Killing Castro was always there but never attempted.

[scottnapa]

60 years on, theory after theory and now all of these released files and guess what? Still not an iota of evidence of a plot. Not a smidgeon. Not a scintilla. And still not even one piece of paper proving that Oswald was a CIA operative. How could this fantasy still be active? Tenacity and obsession over reason, evidence and common sense. Conspiracy is a big game played jointly by hobbyists and those that make a living from it.

Way past time to let this embarrassment go. Time removed this fantasy ‘burden’ from the American people. It’s gone on too long.

Two hours before you posted this, there was a post and conversation discussing one of the witnesses that recently spoke before Congress. Dr Don Curtis, a Parkland doctor who saw the wounds of JFK, just told Congress: “The two bullets that killed President Kennedy came from the front.” He said Oswald did not fire the fatal shots. “The wounds are not consistent with the government’s findings.” Very powerful statement. Very specific by a witness that was there.
Lock, I do not expect to convince you to change your mind. You believe Oswald acted alone. That's fine.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Two hours before you posted this, there was a post and conversation discussing one of the witnesses that recently spoke before Congress. Dr Don Curtis, a Parkland doctor who saw the wounds of JFK, just told Congress: “The two bullets that killed President Kennedy came from the front.” He said Oswald did not fire the fatal shots. “The wounds are not consistent with the government’s findings.” Very powerful statement. Very specific by a witness that was there.
Lock, I do not expect to convince you to change your mind. You believe Oswald acted alone. That's fine.

I know that the majority of the Parkland doctors believed that they had seen a wound at the back of his head but it was by no means all of them. How could they have seen it clearly when Kennedy’s head was resting on the very spot where the wound is alleged to have been. It was a high pressure time, they were focused on trying to resuscitate the President. They were young, not particularly experienced men who one minute were eating sandwiches or doing other work but 10 minutes later they are trying to save the life of the most powerful man in the world. Not all of them were near the head and blood would have run down to the back of his head. So there was blood, hair and whatever gunge pooled at the back of his head. Hardly surprising that they assumed it an exit wound, but no one lifted Kennedy’s head to look. One of the two senior doctors, Charles Carrico (who also thought that he’d seen a wound at the back of Kennedy’s head) was asked by Vincent Bugliosi if it’s possible that he could have been mistaken. He replied “absolutely.” McClelland originally listed the wound on the wrong side before moving it slightly forward when talking later.

One of my main questions in terms of conspiracy Scott is why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings (involving highly respected doctors apparently willing to betray they’re country, involving fake photos, involving fake x-rays and with not one single person breaking ranks and spilling the beans over he years) when they would have known full well that the body would have been taken first to Parkland with the obvious chance of ambulance men, porters, nurses and doctors seeing the ‘true’ wounds? It makes no sense at all. As I’ve described it in the past, it’s like a bank robber leaving the bank with his bag of cash, running past cctv cameras and members of the public before jumping into the getaway car and only then putting on a mask.

[scottnapa]

No one impersonated Oswald. As has been pointed out numerous times if you want to ‘impersonate’ someone you don’t choose someone that looks absolutely nothing like him. This was simply a case of mistaken identity. Read Shenon.

Yes, Margarette Oswald made a mistake and the Mystery Man is NOT Jack Ruby. No one suggests that.
I have submitted ten posts on the Mystery Man since I recovered from my retina surgery.
Perhaps the Mystery Man is asset of the CIA. If so, it’s an interestingly mediocre choice as Oswald imposter, as no one who knew Oswald would be fooled. The Russian and Cuban Embassies see Lee Henry OSWALD who is 35 years old, 6 foot, athletic, balding top, looks American, wearing khaki. He speaks broken Russian, converses with Cubans in Spanish. The real Lee Harvey Oswald is 22 years old, 135 pounds, 5 foot 9 inches tall, Slender; Oswald is fluent in Russian, Lee H. Oswald can barely navigate a Mexican menu.
The CIA sent the photo and tapes to DALLAS FBI and they were not a clearly not Lee H Oswald.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...07&relPageId=2
The Mystery Man is known to CIA. Chief of Mexico CIA station Winston SCOTT memo to JC KING on NOV 22 1963
refers to the identity of the “Mystery Man” as “a certain person known to you” (1st document)
The CIA had pictures of the real Oswald in Mexico City; HSCA testimony of CIA agents Stanley Watson & Joseph Piccolo.
On Nov 22^nd 1963 Richard Helms Department of Plans had three 201 file “cards” at his desk. (2nd document)
Lee Henry OSWALD, a Marine who defected to Russia, Lee H. OSWALD, a Marxist involved in FPCC;
Lee Harvey OSWALD, a defector who denounced America and became citizen of USSR!
Original 201 Lee H Oswald file created 13 Oct 1959, Lee Henry Oswald 201 file created on 9 Dec 1960(3rd document)
Lee Henry OSWALD is a "marked card". Part of a ploy. The CIA is setting a trap for whoever may leak information at the Dept of State. Henry is a file a notional character, not a person. There is no evidence the CIA has a role for Lee Harvey Oswald other than being a useful idiot in this espionage scheme. The CIA has nothing lose.. If Oswald commits suicide in the Berlin Hotel in Moscow, no one at the CIA would shrug.

[cobalt]

''One of my main questions in terms of conspiracy Scott is why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings''

The conspiracy is not the same as the cover up, albeit there may well be overlapping interests. The conspiracy simply has to kill the President. It makes no difference whether he is shot from the rear, the side or the front so far as they are concerned. Or even from all three positions.

The decision to attribute the assassination to a lone gunman was a political decision made after the event. Anyone who spoke out against this was effectively challenging the transfer of power that had taken place within the USA. Not a good career move.

[FISHY1118]

''One of my main questions in terms of conspiracy Scott is why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings''

The conspiracy is not the same as the cover up, albeit there may well be overlapping interests. The conspiracy simply has to kill the President. It makes no difference whether he is shot from the rear, the side or the front so far as they are concerned. Or even from all three positions.

The decision to attribute the assassination to a lone gunman was a political decision made after the event. Anyone who spoke out against this was effectively challenging the transfer of power that had taken place within the USA. Not a good career move.

Well explained cobalt, its a pity this simple fact is lost on some . Its not rocket science.

1 There was a conspiracy to kill jfk . Which was 2. Then covered up .

At a guess 98% of 2 had nothing to do with or prior knowledge of 1.